Why the reluctance to make a Superheavyweight Division?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Jack Dempsey once said over a certain weight power punchers punch roughly the same,the punches Dempsey knocked the huge Willard out with would KO anyone, some big fighters still have a weak chin, I think a bigger problem for heavies a lot smaller than these giants is there reach and then power really becomes a problem because the bigger fighter could end up landed 50% more power punches and do more damage before the smaller man lands his money punch. Reach wasn`t a problem for Louis vs Carnera, you need talent along with size, half these super heavies wouldn`t have landed a glove on Louis or Dempsey.
     
  2. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, there doesn't seem to be any fighters fighting in the range that was usual during the Ali, Norton, Frazier, Foreman days. So Maybe Cruiser should indeed be called HW classic with a 220 pound upper limit.
     
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  3. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If indeed that's true, then why the sudden absence of smaller HWs from competition?
     
  4. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Where are these plus 300 pounder, morbidly obese behemoths now? I mean. no one is blocking their participation now.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    People and athletes are evolving and getting bigger where are all the small tennis players? Certainly not in the top 5 or maybe not even the top 10. Louis and Dempsey would have been on the edge of cruiser and would have been advised to train down to that weight, I shudder to think what they would do to cruisers today!
     
  6. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So if skill is the determining factor-why don't we see Frazier, Ali, Norton sized HWs competing anymore at the HW level? Seems as if there is a great reluctance for anyone under 220 to make any attempt to compete with the present behemoths. The vast majority prefer to be cruiserweights so stay below 200 pounds.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    They are not broad like Foreman who had a powerful bulky build, do you really think these cruisers could take Foreman`s punch? Size is just important it isn`t the be all and end all!
     
  8. JL Fighter

    JL Fighter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If so, who will be the baddest man on the planet?
     
  9. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dempsey is listed at 205 pound max which means he weighed as much as Joe Frazier when Frazier first fought Ali.
    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/dempsey.htm

    Joe Louis is listed 218 pounds max which means he weighed approx. as much as Foreman when Foreman KO'd Frazier.
    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jlouis.htm

    So from your perspective they would be told today to go down to cruiser?
     
  10. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Honestly, if I were drawing up weight classes from scratch, I'd be inclined to nix 168 entirely to have the upper classes looking something like this:

    160
    175
    190
    210
    Heavyweight (unlimited)

    Boxing's got too much history for things to be readjusted at this point, but I think the current system has too much of a gap at the top end to go along with too many divisions at the low end. Only 2 divisions for anyone weighing over 175 is pretty archaic for the size distribution of athletes today.
     
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  11. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Based on that weight class system, it seems as if one would need to consider fifteen pound differences in those sub HW categories insignificant.
     
  12. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A super heavy, pot-bellied Sumo wrestler! :risas3:
     
  13. S.K

    S.K Active Member banned Full Member

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    You joking?

    Many 6ft 3 fighters get down to light heavyweight 175lb, never mind 200lb!
     
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  14. S.K

    S.K Active Member banned Full Member

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    I like the idea of this.

    I agree that 2 weight divisions above 175lb doesn't seem right, in this day and age.

    I'd go with:

    160lb
    170lb
    185lb
    205lb
    Heavyweight (no limit)

    If you actually think about it some fighters might naturally be at a disadvantage purely because their natural weight is 185lb (just for example). So they have to either boil down or gain unnatural weight.

    Compare that to a fighter whose natural weight is 168lb, and just by chance and coincidence, they would thrive, in comparison, purely because the division weight limit suits them.
     
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  15. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    160+ Golovkin.
    175+ Kovalev. Marciano. Patterson.
    200+ Ali. Foreman. Cunningham.
    240+ Klitschko. Joshua. Miller.