Why the reluctance to make a Superheavyweight Division?

Jamontay Clark - 6'3, 80 inch reach - Welterweight
Gilberto Ramirez - 6'3 - Super Middleweight
Laurence Okolie - 6'6 - Cruiserweight
Murat Gassiev - 6'3 - Cruiserweight
Oleksandr Usyk - 6'3 - Cruiserweight
Yunier Dorticos - 6'3 - Cruiserweight

Weight cutting is an art in todays era, especially now compared to even 10 years ago.
Some Cruiserweights are too big for LHW but are still small and don't have to cut much weight at all to make 200lb limit. Others can weight cut to make 200lbs and then they'll rehydrate to whatever weight they are, i.e 220lbs.

George Foreman may be pushing it as an example, but he was 217lbs when he demolished a small Joe Frazier.

 

Agreed. From a practical standpoint, the 185-190 lb guys (a very common natural weight) really get hit the hardest under the current system. They usually drain until they can't, then (not surprisingly) get way stronger once they're not a zombie from the draining- Bellew, Vlasov, etc.

I also like the incremental progression of your target weights- a nice 5 pound increase in the gap for each move up.

 

Completely ******ed. Most super heavies are big fat and useless, or lumbering behemoths like Valuev, Wach and Ustinov who can easily be outclassed by smaller opponents.

 

I've never been a fan of this idea. Having a super heavyweight division would ruin the prestige of the blue ribbon division that is the Heavyweights because then they will no longer be the biggest/baddest guys on the planet.

 

Well said.

 

This is false 90% of Hw's are over 225 pounds.Where did you get 50 SHW'S from? The top 20 itself only Wilder comes in at below 225 sometimes....Povetkin is about 225. Most guys who rank at the top are over or about 240.

 

This doesnt make sense either....so all these fat guys are going to come out of left field all of a sudden and take over? lol


Nothing would change except guys under 225 or closer to 200 pounds would get a better deal which is more realistic.

 

Although..... The freakshow fan in me would love a tournament involving Wach, Ustinov, Miller and Julius Long. The 4 best super heavies on the planet today.

 

This. Wlad and Vitali were both stopped stopped by smaller heavyweights. A smaller heavyweight that can punch and has great mobility can beat any big man if he comes with the right game plan. Tyson did it for years, however as he got older and heavier he no longer had any mobility.

Alot of smaller heavyweights come in too heavy and sacrifice their mobility.
Also height doesn't determine weight class. Body frame determines weight class. Tyson, Frazier, Povetkin, Tua, and Mansour are shorter heavyweights but have very thick frames.

 

I must also add, It was all over for Washington when 220 lbs Wilder connected with the rlght hand whereas It took 300 lbs Miller 8 rds of pummeling to get him out of there. Not to mention, Washington was easily on his feet when the fight was stopped.

 

People dont understand getting hit by a 225 pounder is different than a 200/210 one USUALLY.Lighter weight div. are seperated by much smaller margin of the weight class bc thers more of them and have to be somewhat on point at that fight weight to stay in that class.

Hw after 200 has no limit( which really is dumb,sorry but it is) Following an outdated demograph of what fighters once weighed is backwards just to keep history intact.

HW should just be readjusted to 225 and over.Those who want to rehydrate still could do either be a small HW or big Cruiser for those ...who cares ...it would be much better options for forcing a guy closer to 200 having trouble cutting for cruiser to fight giants who out match him.

Looking at what most fighters weigh today they average 235/240......is it really logical to have a class that no one really weighs 200 to 220 with a except few...i dont even know who they would be,besides Wilder who really should be 230 at 6'7 bc his balance is not so great and hes easily knocked off it?

A smaller guy may win 1% of the time whos closer to 200 but that has no meaning why not to adjust the weight based on total outcomes or based on ONE individual is not a standard either...like a Byrd...( who also was demoloished by Huge Ibeubuchi and defeated by W.Klitchko twce with ease) ....how could it?

 

Miller is actually a better puncher at 260-270 than he is at 300 lbs. But yeah.... You're right. Sour about the fight by any chance? You took some bold risks last week man. Have to give you credit, that's what it takes to win Kirks. It's still not over yet either, in this insane sport. a 6-8 point climb with 5 months to go is not the most unlikely thing out there, in fact pretty sure it's happened!

 

What part of my post you were disagreeing with?

And there has been several CWs tested the waters at HW. Haye, Adamek, Gomez, Toney made their ways to mandatory positions, and Cunningham should've become one when he got robbed against Glazkov. And Usyk and Gassiev will be joining them soon.

 

It depends on what you consider to be a super heavyweight, i and probably the most guys consider fighters at 235 pounds and above to be super heavyweights and that's at least 70% of all heavyweights and 90% of top 20 heavyweights.

Small current heavyweights are Povetkin, Haye, Ugonoh and Jennings, most of the top heavyweights today are super heavyweights.