Why the US heavyweight scene is in such terrible shape...

Breazeale and Martin don't belong in the top 20, Wilder is a fraud, he will have a small puncher's chance against Joshua, but that's it, hell, his right hand is all he has and it comes from left field!

 

Fear, lack of money, poor management, poor promotion, disinterested audience, take your pick.

Not sure why so many are so risk adverse in this era. Look at Parker, just lost but now fighting on a PPV card and likely to make a couple of million and if he wins is right back in the mix and will continue to make good money.

Look at Broner even, he gets beaten every time he steps up but gets paid very well.

 

They don't fight each other.
At least the top dogs dont.

 

its worldwide, not just the us. only the best bums are coming out of other countries now.

 

Again spot on. The lack of money and interest as you say is down to the lack of quality fights being made. You can't expect fans to tune in for mediocrity.

Not sure if the money in the US will dry up anytime soon simply down to the growth in the OTT market. Haymon's fund is probably close to being used up, but Arum signed a $500 mill deal with ESPN for their OTT service and while Hearn is the biggest player right now, if Netflix and Amazon move into sports the money on offer will only grow.

Not sure if that will make better fights though. Too much money can stifle competition too as fighters are happy with their pay checks and don't take risks.

 

Add that Breazeale has heart and size, but no skills and speed at all, and Martin is a drug-addicted former fringe contender

Ruiz jr, Miller and Kownacki are Burger King addicts and are disgracefully obese.

Really a poor state of US HW division.

 

I kind of like Breazeale, he can barely throw a punch, I've seen 6 year old girls with better punch technique on the playground fighting over their toys but love his heart, chin and power. He might be my favourite heavyweight after Joshua and Chisora.

Martin always has been and always will be garbage, never has there been such a fortunate guy at heavyweight. Not only did he win a title via his opponent being injured he did so in a heavyweight era with the biggest cash cow since Tyson and made a fortune.

And come on I'm sure Ruiz, Miller and Kownacki can afford to eat at better places than Burger King. They should go join Stiverne in Vegas where they do 24hr buffet passes, lol.

 

Just seemed like failed athletes in other sports so took up boxing to me

 

Top British HWs:

The Mack
Anthony Joshua
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Tony Bellew
Dillian Whyte
Hughie Fury
Dereck Chisora
Nathan Gorman
David Price
Joe Joyce
Daniel Dubois

AJ fought one of the list in 2015 and The Mack also fought one in 2014. Everyone else on that list is 100% certified British level and not worth discussing. Even so, none of them are currently looking to fight each other.

If you look at the US fighters at Chisora/Whyte level and add in all the US based and promoted fighters like Ortiz, they fight at least as often as the Brits.

What exactly was your point again?

 

3 words:

National. Football. League.

 

The Mack - Fought Chisora twice, tried to fight Haye too
Anthony Joshua - Fought Whyte on PPV, will no doubt fight Fury if he keeps winning as will be a huge PPV event.
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Tony Bellew - Only had 2 fights at heavyweight both vs Haye
Dillian Whyte - Fought Joshua on PPV, fought Chisora in front of 21K in a fight of the year candiate
Hughie Fury - Only 23 years old to be fair, his time will come.
Dereck Chisora - Who hasn't he fought lol. Haye, Fury, Whyte, Williams if we go even further back, he's the back bone of the British domestic scene.
Nathan Gorman - A novice, not yet ready for anyone on this list
David Price - Price has fought plenty of domestic level guys like when on the up.
Joe Joyce - Novice
Daniel Dubois - Novice

So if we include rematches that's a total of 6 fights made from the fighters on this list. If we include Haye who only just retired that's 7 fights would be 8 had the Fury fights happened. Compared to 0 fights between the US heavyweights Vykus listed.

So the point is pretty clear the UK domestic scene will see more match ups between upcoming fighters in comparison to the US scene. Even if you add Ortiz and Stiverne to the lost of US fighters that's only 4 fights between them all.