Why toney lost, the real reasons

Toney trained hard for the fight he just has a **** diet

 

I agree on alot of the points you made. As far as who I would rather take in a street fight, probably Toney. 90% of street fights start with a punch, if Toney lands clean with bare fists. Randy would melt like butter in a microwave. Both Mercer and Briggs proved that when they fought MMA guys. All it takes is one decent punch and it's over.

 

James will be back BIGGER and stronger! Go James!

 

toney lost because he is a 1 dimensional fighter with no grappling or MMA experience who faced a far superior athlete and well rounded fighter

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Amen, James will be back and a few more months of training he'll be kicking ass. Lesnar should be afraid....very afraid.

 

your absolutley right also a world class wrestler vs a guy who never wrestled ever how did he have a hope of beating Randy

its like me getting in the ring with Toney me no am record or pro experience fighting a world champion with lots of milage

like i said the mma boxing areguement is solved as is cage guy wins in cage vs boxer

boxer wins in ring vs cage guy

unless its a mismatch or a lucky punch or something crazy

i do feel its easier for a boxer to beat a mma guy in the cage than it is for a mma guy to beat a boxer in the ring

 

It is better to be a boxer or a thai boxer in a street fight for "clear cut" reasons? That's bull****. Streetfights are way way too unpredictable for you to say that there is a clear answer in this category, and I wager if there were a clear answer grappling would be the best form of defense.

First situation: An untrained friend of yours is drunk and gets angry at you for some reason at a bar. He attacks you. You can clock him with a 1,2,3 uppercut if you have lots of boxing experience, or you can easily restrain him with grappling.

Second situation: You are attacked by someone without a weapon and without any friends for any reason ever. He is untrained and therefore will probably be easy to take down and choke to unconciousness.

(In both of these situations you probably don't break your hands which is a very real possibility after landing multiple bareknuckle punches.)

Situation Three: Someone kills your kid in front of you. Grapplers can KILL this man much faster and much simpler than boxers can. If you don't let go of a choke, you can take it all the way to his end.

Also in all of these situations the likelihood of taking serious punishment is severely reduced. Streetfighting isn't a zero sum game like cage fighting or boxing is. In boxing one fighter wins and one fighter loses. In a street fight if you knock out some guy but he still manages to, say, break your orbital bone with a punch... sure you might have "won" the fight if it were a competition but you don't win any prize money or pride for defeating a worthy opponent or what not, you win a broken orbital bone.

 

no excuses period. he did'nt even swing a punch muchless land one. he made a full of himself talking so much crap and got clowned on by a guy thats almost 50.

 

I think if a pro boxer learns how to sprawl and nothing else he could get pretty far in mma. All he needs to do is be able to stuff the takedown and he will have more than one shot at landing his some punches. The reason I came to this conclusion was because I was looking at Liddle's fights and that is exactly what he would do with great succes against wrestlers and BJJ guys. After a few stuffed takedowns the other guys would loose steam and Liddle would light them up and his striking is a joke compared to a pro boxer.

 

That about sums it up.

His mouthing was merely hyping the fight to make money, we all realize that, but given that everyone KNEW he'd be embarrassed, and he quickly GOT embarrassed.................its hard to feel too bad for Toney.

His ego must have taken a blow, but his bank account got a decent boost, as well.

I hope he retires, altogether......unless he wants to fight a Rob Calloway level fighter and end his career in boxing, and on a win.

 

This is what I think. People assume a boxer's skillset is some sort of hail-mary-only fighting style that can't do anything substantial against MMA fighters, when half of them just end up being stand-up fights that are **** compared to the worst boxing match. With the advantages of varied technically sound boxing skills which include timing, defense, movement, and footwork, adding takedown defense would allow boxing as a core style to be applied very effectively. Toney seemed to have the right idea, but couldn't execute it. If Chuck Lidel could be so dominant with it, I'm sure a prime boxing champion could as well. Very good Spraw-and-Brawl boxers (actual boxers) could really do some damage in the sport.

 

wow this is a stupid fookin thread. first you tell us everything everyone ALREADY knowz about how james has training problemz and then you tell us that it wasnt a FAIR FIGHT

BUT you dont stop there. eventhough it waznt a FAIR FIGHT your actually STILL STUPID enough to believe that if toney were allowed to fight with NO RULEz he would of been able to beat courture. now unless your JOKING about the club alley way this LOGIC is the KIND of LOGIC that only the REAL MORONz can fool themselves into believing

like the moron that walked into this thread agreeing with you using the point that 90% of street fights start with a punch LMFAO. no shyte most street fights start with a punch as most of them all start with each guy getting into each others face so close until one of them finally snaps and tries to belt the face that is RIGHT infront of them pissing them off. the most one blow knock outs ive seen in street fights have always happened this way. in the street fights whereby both dudes are fighters and set up ready to fight before getting close to each other 90% of those fightz ALSO start with a PUNCH however 90% of those punches dont land clean unless the SKILL difference between the two fighters is LARGE

90% of all those fights start AFTER the first punch has been thrown without landing clean and then WHATEVER happenz from that point is what decides the winner

 

i will take couture and you can have james and ALL 4 of us can meet in the alley

im not in great shape at the moment but im not concerned as im in good enough shape to keep running circles around randy and james with you chasing me long enough for randy to snap james and jump back up and take care of you while i smoked a cigarette filming the whole thing on my cell phone out of breath laughing

dont worry RANDY if you get in trouble i will put the phone down and jump in just long enough to let you take over and when you do ima stroll over and kick james's corpse a few timez while shouting at him "WHOz THE MAN!!!"

nothing personal mate i really dont want to fight this is just my opinion. all im saying is there is no ****in way in hell i would fight you with randy on your side and james on mine

well maybe if dana paid me a mill but then i would only be fighting for the money and would come fully prepared for a dam good beating

 

Oh for ****s sake. Did you not see the fight? Are you under the impression that it started with Toney on his back? Toney, who has forgotten more about punching than 99% of the people on this website will ever know, DIDN'T LAND A SINGLE ****ING PUNCH. Why would that be? Could it be perhaps because it's impossible to land a punch on the chin of a guy that's diving for your ankle? What factor of this being a UFC fight and not a "street fight" was it that kept Toney from knocking Couture out? If it had been a street fight the only thing that would have been different is that Toney would have bruised his ass falling over.

As for Mercer, that was not "one decent punch", it was a ****ing huge haymaker that Silvia was dumb enough to just stand there and take. What we learned last night is the same thing that we've learned watching every ****ing UFC; grappling moves have a higher percentage of success than striking moves. That's it. I don't like it anymore than you do (I'm much better at punching than I am at grappling) but those are the facts.