Why toney lost, the real reasons

Learning how to stop takedowns (it's more than just sprawling you know) is a skill that is learned slowly over many many years of hard work, just like throwing boxing combinations or bobbing and weaving. "All he needs to do" makes me think that you've never tried to stop someone from taking you down who has worked on it with the same level of dedication and training as guys like Toney learned boxing. The reason that Liddell could do what he did is because he was a college wrestler who had the reflexes to be able to hold his hands lower to help stuff takedowns and still not get caught with punches until he got older, lost he reflexes and now gets hit with everything. Just because you're not familiar with something doesn't mean that it's simple and "all you have to do" is pick it right up over a few weeks and you'll be fine. It would take Toney as long to learn takedowns and stuffing takedowns at Couture's level as it would for Couture to learn to box at Toney's level, and what we've learned from MMA is that the grappling moves have a much higher percentage change of succeeding than striking ones do.

 

Wilhelm is spot on.

 

I have full respect for the sport of mma to think a boxer could master takedown defense in mere weeks especially against someone like Couture. Bas Rutten didn't have any wrestling backround prior to competing in mma, but he dedicated himself training with a catch wrestler and ended up having a great career. If Rutten could do it why couldn't a boxer?

 

You got the point. It was impossible for Toney to counter a guy diving that low. Toney did not expect this kind of attack at all, he was totally surprsied. Toney may have been to counter effectively if Couture just shooted in or other forms of attack by Couture.Couture took the zero risk approach and he had every right to do so.

It is time for Toney to leave this black episode behind him, he has only to blame himself for what happened. The problem with talking trash is when you do not back it up....

I would like Toney to have one last boxing fight against a lesser opponent in Detroit and then retire. I am a boxing fan who watched live for the first time a UFC event. Although, the whole event was perfecty managed, I am just not interested in this sport.

 

Man...Toney didn't even get to use his boxing skills lol. Simple as.

Grappling rules pretty much.

 

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look at silva-maia


grappling didn't rule then


fighting to your opponents weakness rules, and that is what couture did

 

I couldnt think a worse style boxer for mma, toney fights mostly in the pocket. Seeing those long range body shots he was doing in training didn't look real convincing going up against a wrestler like randy.