Why Vitali is a top 10 HW ATG

Absolutely not. Are you ranking head to head or something? You've totally excluded Tommy Jackson who beat an aged Ezzard Charles twice, Bob Baker twice, Rex Layne twice, as well as some other stiff contenders. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no argument, non whatseover, for ranking Peter above Jackson. It is a literal non-starter, it has no basis in argument. You would have to be ranking...cross competitive eating rankings or something, it's bull****.

I'll be frank - you made an interesting post but actually looking into history has left you out of your depth. The fact that you don't just think that i'm wrong, but that i'm being unreasonable shows this.

You don't know the fighters you are running down.

Preposterous. Jackson makes the top 100. I doubt Adamek would make the top two-hundred. Bonavena beat Folley, Martin, Chuvalo, Peralta. Adamek's best win is Eddie Chambers and the drop off after that is incredible.

Control yourself.

He beat Jackson, twice, and Johansson is an absolutely elite heavy who he beat 2-1 in a series. If Klitschko had a 2-1 in a series like that he could arguably be ranked above Patterson for me, arguably. If he beat Byrd 2-1 say.

Both of those decisions are disputed, but he is generally held to have beaten Quarry, especially, and been victimised. This is the danger of using Boxrec to decide history for you.

Who knows how "dominant" he would have been if he had four titles to chose from and never had to meet Sonny Liston, as Vitali never had to meet Wlad? He might have ruled for years, and he might have picked up a different title upon losing his first.

In terms of the lineal title, Patterson was the youngest ever, the first man to reclaim it and staged defences - Vitali never held it.

 

Christ.

 

Most of what you said was wrong or biased. It's incredible to see someone actually try to inflate Adamek to the status of Eddie Machen (Jerry Quarry, Mike DeJohn, Doug Jones, Tommy Jackson, Bob Baker, Joey Maxim, Nino Valdes, Johnny Summerlin) based upon longevity in the top five whilst writing off Patterson as "the #3 of his era" despite his showing some of the best longevity of any elite HW, is astounding.

Comparing Johansson to Arreola, and calling me an idiot for comparing him to Arreola even though i'd just compared him to Byrd (clearly more elite than Arreola) is also strange.

Basically your argument is comprised of every single cliche a Klitite exhibits when trying to artificially enhance his fighter is on display in that post.

I don't know if you're trolling or for real, but IF you're for real, heed this: the reason you have Vitali in your ten, and almost nobody else does, specifically, is because of this type of nonsense.

Of course if you TRY to bring about the circumstances where a fighter ranks higher you will find that he does. It can be done with any fighter. It explains your gross overranking of him relative to most of the rest of the people you'll talk to.