Why Ward SHOULD go to Nottingham - Early Pac-Floyd Prediction (Video)

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  1. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Froch and Ward fought in the U.K, I think that Froch could win. I might be in the minority, but a crowd can energize a fighter. And great fighters elevate their game. I respect Ward, but fighters who lack natural right hands are fighters that I respect, but don't particularly back FT.

    Fighters like Dlh, Shane, and Cotto are excellent fighters. But they all lacked natural right hands. They aim them. It also shows a flaw in their defense as Boone showed us against Ward. Ward is in that same boat. That's why I don't like like Andre Dirrell as much as
    Anthony. I'm just a dude who likes natural styles and not converted styles.

    I'd ride with Froch to win. People forget that the fight with Froch got hard in the latter rounds. Yeah Ward won, but I'd love to see a rematch. That's what bothers me about Froch. He should just take the rematch no questions asked.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

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    I kind of tried to touch on that in the video.

    What Ward said of Bute being unproven was true. But, the way he went about it helped create the perception that he was somehow steering away from Bute because he feared the style match-up or some other nonsense. I don't believe that for a second! But... Ward did help contribute to the creation of that perception, which is usually only reserved for his haters or pro-Bute fans.
     
  3. Rumsfeld

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    I was never big on Bute, and I think my track record here confirms this.

    :smoke
     
  4. Good Cop

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    Aye, this isn't an argument. I'm on your side here- Mr. Ward would've defeated Mr. Bute.

    There are no fighters left with Mr. Bute's name value, popularity, monetary rewards, and willingness to go to Oakland.

    None.

    What I don't want to see is you fall down the rabbit hole any further, like Mr. Ward has. His career decision-making skills have literally short-circuited as a direct result of turning down the fight with Mr. Bute and the resulting fallout. He will never get as plum an opportunity, the ultimate risk/reward payoff, as what he turned down. Mr. Dawson checked most of the boxes, but lacked the drawing power.

    As a matter of pride, Mr. Ward won't accept offers worse than what Mr. Bute brought to the table, lest he look desperate or foolish for accepting a deal worse than one he turned down.

    This is how a P4P fighter and the last American Olympic Gold Medalist winds up on BET before PPV.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    :thumbsup
     
  6. BlizzyBlizz

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    I can dig it.:good

    To be honest, Bute could've been better than he is. He just didn't have the right people around him or the right trainer. Jmo
     
  7. BlizzyBlizz

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    Yeah, but he didn't lose to Froch. He is still relevant. Bute? You draw it up!
     
  8. BlizzyBlizz

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    I think that true boxing fans truly understand fighters. Rums, you don't have to confirm anything with me. We are here lol...
     
  9. Guybino

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    Hey Rums your point about Pac vs May network advertising is completely true and also worrying!

    I live in Vietnam and I've seen one TV commercial for it thus far.

    Also I would love to see Ward vs Froch in Wembley or Nottingham but I also think that theres a big chance of Froch vs Chavez jr still happening and I think Froch would opt with the latter as its possibly more money and he has a better chance at winning (I think he would beat Chavez).
     
  10. Good Cop

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    Aye, now you're getting it, laddy!!

    Mr. Bute lost to Mr. Froch.

    Had Mr. Ward taken the fight, not only does Mr. Ward reap all the benefits of that win....Mr. Froch doesn't!

    Mr. Ward didn't just give up a W. He gave the millions, the increased popularity, the hype, and the accolades that came with it to a man he defeated, who now has a negotiating advantage as a direct result of those spoils.

    We'd call that robbery if it wasn't such a gift.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    Thanks.

    It is something that strikes me as very strange. They seem to be banking an awful lot on the fact that people will tune in, just because. And maybe they're right. I haven't heard too many casuals talking about it that usually ask me about Pac and Floyd. That may change as it approaches, and maybe this is actually some striking move of marketing genius for all I know.

    But all the same I find it odd.

    Can't disagree with anything here. Froch probably is still holding hope for Chavez. It's very winnable for him (although not the give-me, perhaps, that so many think), good money, and should he emerge victorious, he can be looking at another payday after. The option would still be there short-term forward.
     
  12. Moanamchara

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    :good

    Ward had a route to greatness all laid out beat Bute unify and reign or move up and he did neither. He also vacated the WBC when Anthony Dirrel was calling him out as his mandatory. First he told Anthony let him think he needs to think about what to do then he vacated and said no one wants the fight but we wanted Rodriguez over your mandatory?
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl

    While I'm near certain it doesn't suit me, after that effort, I promise I'll get my hand on one before year's end and try it out.

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  14. BlizzyBlizz

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    That's not what happened lol.:lol:
     
  15. AnotherFan

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    Ward said Bute had to fight one or two top opponents. No guarantee he would have been happy with Bute beating only Froch. Regardless, Muhammed Ali fought George Foreman himself. He didn't tell one of his leftovers to do it. Lennox Lewis fought Vitali Klitschko himself. He didn't tell one of his leftovers to do it. Wladimir Klitschko fought David Haye himself. He didn't tell one of his leftovers to do it. Manny Pacquiao fought Marquez himself, as he will fight Floyd Mayweather himself. He didn't tell one of his leftovers to do it.

    Since when does the champ dictate that the top challenger must beat this or that of his leftovers to earn a shot? It's BS. Ward vs Bute was the biggest fight that could be made at SMW and Ward DITCHED IT.

    Wards injury was a broken left hand. Your memory of it being swollen is probably from a photo that was taken and published by a boxing newspage. But this wasn't the reason Ward gave to not fighting Bute. Wards hand was good to go late February (I think) so he could have fought Bute late spring or during the autumn.

    All Ward had to do was to beat Bute, but he didn't.

    :good