Why was Ali never considered a "mob fighter" despite his association with Black Muslims?

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  1. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We already debunked the libel that Elijah Muhammad was a pedophile. He was sleeping with his secretaries and adult female members of the Nation but not kids. And the Nation of Islam wasn't created in a vacuum. It was a response to three hundred plus years of slavery and Jim Crow which left Black Americans in a bad way
     
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  2. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How should he be remembered ? BTW, you wrote that Elijah Muhammad was a pedophile. Could you please provide a citation for your claim? I provided a citation when I was asked for one documenting Ali repudiated his racist views. Thank you in advance.
     
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  3. Melankomas

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    You can't compare Ali's association with the Nation of Islam to Patterson's association with the Catholic Church. Floyd Patterson was a random Catholic dude with no real ties to the higher ups of the Church at all, Ali regularly hanged out Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X. He was one of the key figures of the Nation of Islam.
     
  4. Melankomas

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  5. ThatOne

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    I watched it . Malcolm Is saying Elijah Muhammad had sexual relationships with his secretaries and other adult female members of the Nation. You wrote that he had sexual relationships with children, i.e. a pedophile. So other posters don't have to watch the entire thing can you please post the time mark where Malcolm said Elijah Muhamnad had sex with children because i can't find it. Thank you in advance.
     
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  6. ThatOne

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    We already established he repudiated the Nation and Elijah Muhammad for all his flaws and racial quackery wasn't a pedophile, haven't we?
     
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  7. Raheem

    Raheem Member banned Full Member

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    No he was more open to criticism back then. Today he is considered a saint, you can not question anything about his life or legacy
     
  8. ThatOne

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    What do you think his legacy is? He has been the subject of hundreds of books and countless documentaries. What areas of his life do you believe haven't been properly scrutinized?
     
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  9. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Yeah I think he preyed on girls much too young for him but not children.
     
  10. ThatOne

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    Not children.
     
  11. Raheem

    Raheem Member banned Full Member

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    All I said was it is socially unacceptable to question anything about him
     
  12. SwarmingSlugger

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    Or anyone.
     
  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When did Ali say he was above criticism and the context of him saying so?
     
  14. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    So any fighter that's ever belonged to any organization in which an immoral person or persons was in charge should be considered the same as someone who had mobsters fix their fights?
     
  15. Raheem

    Raheem Member banned Full Member

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    I don't know about Ali himself, I never spoke to the man, but I have been shut down, censored, and silenced multiple times on multiple forums for raising uncomfortable or at least unpopular questions about him previously.

    And you can't dare pick against him on any of the hypothetical matchup threads unless you want the YDKSAB Karens coming after you.