Why was Calzaghe's pitty pat style so effective?

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  1. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    I just watched the Alvarez Kovalev fight last night...... may be you saw it.....

    The big hard hitting Kovalev employed a surprising strategy of pitty pat jabs against his smaller opponent.

    He did win a few rounds, but at no point did Canelo ever stop walking him down. Alvarez showed no fear of Kovalev's power, and you could tell the whole night the first time he could close the distance it would be lights out for the Krusher.

    It got me thinking about the king of the pitty pats, Mr Joe Calzaghe, who also campaigned at Light Heavy.

    The difference being that Calzaghe's pitty pat style was a highly effective masterpiece.
    He brutalized lesser guys like Jeff Lacy and Byron Mitchell, and mangled the great Roy Jones face, and against stronger guys who don't fold like B-Hop he had him covering up and reacting rather than sticking to his game plan.

    What was the secret to Joe's pitty pat style? Why was it so effective against his era?

    I can hardly imagine Canelo walking through Calzaghe's punches the way he did to Kovalev, despite Joe never being regarded as a puncher..
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Joe was faster, used more angles, had endless stamina and could be really unorthodox.

    And frankly, Kova is shot to sh*t. He had no umph on his shots, no right hand, his money shot. I am old enough to remember a guy 5 years ago named Kovalev who was walking thru the division, an assassin cold-cocking everyone. This isn't close to the same guy. And it's not the opposition.
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The word is surprising. I think Kovalev had the cuffs on.

    The secret was his accuracy, volume, the way he would dart to another direction after landing, and the effect this had on the opponent being able to set himself in response to that. Joe would move more times to create one move. It gave too much for the other guy to read in time.

    I can hardly imagine Canelo walking through Kovalevs punches the way he did to Kovalev. I think a deal was done. Kov had the cuffs on. The rehydration clause killed him, but a decision to chose not to physically man handle the smaller guy ..or ever try to use full force blows seals it for me.
     
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  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Kovalev was handpicked because he was badly weathered and ripe to go .. in addition the man just had a brutal fight a few months ago with no time to let his 36 year old body even heal .. the KO was sudden and dramatic but this was not the Kovalev of 2012 - 2014 by a long shot .. the fight reminded me of Louis vs Marciano ..
     
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Certainly Alvarez made Kovalev work harder than he wanted to, but Kovalev (clearly weight weakened due to the hydration clause) still wouldn’t press forward. It made no sense for him not to even try that. He was choosing a high energy, back foot, light handed boxing strategy rather than bully the smaller man. Why?
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
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  7. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well his first 20 fights or so on the way up Calzaghe was known as a bit of a banger.
    I think he stopped all but one of his first 20 opponents or so.
    Ultimately hand problems took over and he adapted a different style. I suspect however that amongst all those pitty pat punches some of them were simply having more effect than we sitting comfortably outside the ring realised.
    You couldn’t just walk through him.
     
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  8. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe may have been a slapper, but he slapped pretty hard. Numerous accounts from opponents testify to that.

    There was obviously a lot else going on that was difficult for opponents to deal with, but what often gets overlooked is that Calzaghe wasn't feather-fisted.
     
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  9. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, he had a reputation as a puncher in his early days, at least up until the Thornberry and Starie fights.
     
  10. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because it kept his hand picked competition busy trying to defend.

    Oldsters Jones and Hopkins no longer had the reflexes of their youth to counter consistently.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    Calzaghe had a blessing in having absurdly fast reaction and defensive nous. Very often he seemed to pick up a punch before it even started and dodge it. His punches were by no means crushing, but look at the RJJ fight to see what those "pitty pats" could do. They were hard enough to hurt, and enough of them would mangle a guy. I like zaggers because he's yet another example of a style that should not work ... that worked magnificently. I imagine Harry Greb as being a kind of a cross between Calzaghe and a guy with the footwork of Derevyanchenko.
     
  12. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was just a totally natural talent of talents, so loose and flowing with his body movement and stepping off and instinctively timed and judged everything such as amount of shots per flurry and when to throw in a sneaky power shot in the middle of a flurry - watch carefully and he'd set himself for a hard shot after stunning them with lighter shots, then back to lighter shots! Early in his career he loaded up his first shot a lot, the big left, and hurt his hand badly which turned out to be a great blessing in disguise
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Calzaghe had easily damaged hands. He altered his style to allow for this.

    His basic programme was to mix a hard shot in with a series of scoring shots to deliver a volume attack that was unpredictable and protected his hands. He realised early on (or Enzo did) that he didn't have to be perfectly balanced to deliver on this attack. Rather he knew he could sacrifice his balance to get over on his weaker shots and look to open up with harder punches from a half-recovered or fully recovered stance.

    That's what people mean when they say he was "unorthodox".

    Trainers spend years and years trying to groom fighters to assume balanced positions for attack in hot fights and they spend years and years teaching opponents to operate defensively against opponents who are positioned to punch. Calzaghe's style didn't call for him to be well balanced so he set new problems for schooled fighters. This was the essence of the effectiveness of his "pitty pat" offence.

    But between he and his father lay an extraordinary boxing technique, too. Some of the adjustments he made in his career were astonishing. The best technician he faced half-solved his style when he fought Kessler; Calzaghe regrouped and went outside and basically out-jabbed the division's best one-two artist.

    So he was much, much more than the sum of his parts but the above gets to the rub.
     
  14. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He could do whatever he wanted really, from day dot apparently.
     
  15. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe is a legitimately great fighter and never entered the ring as being spent or shot (or to an agreement on what he could do). He had great use of angles, his timing was good for a volume guy and so was his accuracy. If a rock chin Eubank, who went toe to toe later with Thompson endorses Calzaghe of having heavy hands I think I’d tend to believe it. He hurt Kessler a few times too when he needed to.
     
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