why was foreman ALWAYS allowed to shove and push his opentents??????????

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  1. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    there is another interesting thread about
    a match up between foreman and bruno

    and someone brought up how strong foreman was
    and how even though bruno was all muscle
    foreman could shove him around

    like he did roided up morrison
    or legendry frazier etc etc


    now this brings me to this point

    why the fcuk did refs always let him do this illegal tatic
    i mean its not like a sneaky headbutt from hopkins
    or a little low blow from whoever


    foreman espically in the frazier fights
    shoved the guy around the ring again and again

    and this happened in peak career
    and in his comeback


    why did the refs never say a thing....


    and dont praise him for this shove stuff
    a short guy also tackle him down

    which be excatly the same as he is doing

    one guy guy in the foreman vs 5 tackled him nice
    that was cool...when the "super strong" foreman
    just taken down to the ground quite easily




    but all this stuff aside
    it is very easy to see
    one guy pushing around across the ring
    again and ring

    and its against the rules
    so didnt the refs EVER DO anything
     
    highguard, Jun 26, 2011
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  2. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    and oddly enough
    people often praise him for this

    its like a boxer would come and kick other fighters

    i can what he did is as easy to see

    because they were clear 2 handed shoves
    not like little shoulder shoves and bumps
    that a lot of pros do
     
    highguard, Jun 26, 2011
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  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Well, Ali held behind the head like he was trying to cop a kiss all night long, what does that make him?
     
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  4. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i agree that makes him a cheater

    and course he would cry if someone would low blow
    every time he did that


    i think ali with is his holding behind the head

    is another big deal thing the refs did nothing about wrongly


    and yes it helped him win many fights fights
     
    highguard, Jun 26, 2011
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Lummox Lewis also held and hit whenever possible. Bowe liked the low blows. Holy liked to headbut. Holmes threw the best elbow in the business, since... well, Marciano. The list goes on...
     
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  6. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    true but like i said
    low blows, headbutts
    elbows etc

    are much harder to spot

    then one just shoveing another with both hands
    again and again


    thats why i compared it too
    someone kicking because its so easy to see


    well the other stuff you mentioned
    is not always all that easy to see
     
    highguard, Jun 26, 2011
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  7. RoosterC

    RoosterC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    LMAO

    Ali
    Holyfielfd
    Tyson
    Ruiz
    ect

    All cheated like crazy and got away with it.
     
    RoosterC, Jun 26, 2011
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  8. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Every fighter has bent the rules,every now and again.
     
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  9. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think sometimes refs are intimidated by fighters, promoters, crowds, and THE MOMENT.
    And sometimes I think some of them might even be a little hazy on the rules. It is their fault more than the fighters. It is fairly rare to see points deducted. Ali should've lost many points. Perhaps Foreman should've too. I think referees need to confront all fighters, even the superstars, and call them on these things.
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Very susceptible to a good shove. Just a couple of those pegs coming loose, and WHOOSH. Down goes open tent. DOWN GOES OPEN TENT.
     
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  11. Armstrong!

    Armstrong! Active Member Full Member

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    :lol::rofl
     
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  12. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :lol: ^ at the open tent.

    Foreman did it in close quarters to get out of a clinch, I think its acceptable in the rules. He didnt use elbows to do it.
     
    lefthook31, Jun 27, 2011
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  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    :lol::rofl:lol::rofl
     
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  14. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lol at the tent

    every fighter cheats
    but most the fouls are not as easy to see as
    pushing....


    i cant understand why you guys dont
    see what i mean

    an elbow from tyson is not always easy to see

    a 2 hand push from foreman,
    the guy in the last row can see

    thats the difference


    thusly why i compared to one boxer
    kicking another
     
    highguard, Jun 27, 2011
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  15. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Live by the sword, die by the sword." I'll close with a different axiom.

    It was said of Dempsey, "Sure, he hit low. But he never hollered if YOU hit HIM low!" Foreman won his first title in part by shoving Frazier around, then lost it because, at least according to Archie Moore, Ali's neck yanking tactic drained him to the point he was vulnerable to getting knocked out.

    George did make excuses for his loss, but cheating by Ali was NEVER among the reasons he cited, and what Moore said was intended as a statement of fact, absolutely not a complaint.

    Jimmy Young shrewdly did make "crybaby" complaints about Foreman's manhandling, and it paid off as he got referee Waldemar Schmidt to penalize George in round three, the margin by which Young was able to make his victory into a unanimous decision. (I don't recall Jimmy ducking out of the ring in this one as he did with Ali, which Schmidt almost certainly would have penalized him for after deducting from Foreman.)

    Certainly Tommy Morrison was in no position to complain during their match, as he was cheating himself with steroids. And we all know about Holyfield's butting and the high probability Evander himself was juicing.

    Now, here's that promised second axiom:

    "Let he without sin cast the first stone."
     
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