Why was Golovkin so tentative at the start?

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  1. weepaul

    weepaul Member Full Member

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    When he was wasting away with a German promotion but had the reputation of being the boogie man in sparring sessions…
    GGG’s prime was pissed away by bad management.
     
  2. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess in the end he must have been wary of Canelo's counters/power and he suggested this in the post fight.
    He has never been afraid of anyone's power before and always claimed never to be phased. That's what makes his comments telling.

    What this actually suggests is that Canelo really has upgraded his power with roids to the point where he made even Golovkin cautious compared to the first fights and anyone else Golovkin has been in with.

    There's no other explanation for Canelo's extra power threat to Golovkin except PEDs and going up to 168 doesn't magically do it as some fools pretend. There isn't a big difference between the weight classes.

    I have never once heard Golovkin claim that you have to be wary against someone or they can turn the fight with a big punch. And he has fought big punchers before. So he's felt something in there that is out of the ordinary in his experience with Canelo or others.

    It makes sense when you see Canelo magically breaking Saunders' face with one punch and one-punching other bigger guys, bullying Smith around etc., all with an incredible size and stamina increase that came out of nowhere. The guy is a medical experiment.

    But then why is Golovkin now praising Canelo when he knows the guy has cheated before and is clearly on the gear, not to mention all the insults, ducking and ageing him.

    Golovkin has been very disappointing, actually. I have no sympathy if he's going to basically submit to this and try to be friendly and compliment someone who is in the wrong, toe the party line on Canelo, it's pretty pathetic.
     
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  3. jimmyonebomb

    jimmyonebomb Active Member Full Member

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    He’s 40 and had a long career amateur and pro, you can’t go forever at your prime. Simple as that. I never wanted to see the fight for this reason.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah but due to how he fought, tentatively, but being in survival mode in order to preserve himself and avoid taking much punishment, his career continues. If he went to war with Canelo, win lose or draw this could have been his last fight. GGG fought a smart fight, albeit ineffective, to lose but still be somewhat competitive down the stretch. Make a ton of $$, not take much punishment and be able to continue his career. He had too much pride to get beat up by Canelo again, he'd rather lose a one-sided decision than suffer the indignity of a stoppage loss vs his rival.
     
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  5. jimmyonebomb

    jimmyonebomb Active Member Full Member

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    I don’t know we can all analyse this and that, but hes been showing signs of deteriorating for years now. Canelos not and was always a bad fight for him at this stage. Add the fact Canelo counters very well and punches very hard. This is why he was tentative Canelo punches hard and GGG is not what he was. I know we all wanna see our favourite fighters go on and go to war forever but it’s just not realistic.
    I think there’s something in what you say that he wanted to survive rather than take punishment/get stopped, but don’t see anything wrong with that at this stage tbh.
     
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  6. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    You think its ridiculous that the cash cow of boxing (Canelo) , that brings millions of eyes and money to the sport (and effectively bankrolls many) , isn't able to pay his opponents with millions to go easy on them? This is in a sport historically and currently known for a corruption. You really think thats hard to believe? :facepalm:... Ive got a bridge I can sell you
     
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  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not saying there's anything "wrong" with how GGG fought, but the way he fought isn't what many GGG fans expected or predicted would happen. Most GGG fans expected GGG to throw caution to the wind, that he needed to load up early and often to try and hurt Canelo, that he had to do that in order to have a chance, since he (according to them) had no chance to win on the cards. Even though he ended up getting super favorable scoers of 113-115 2x, and 112-116 in a fight that he was pretty much dominated and had no business receiving those kind of scores. The way GGG fought and what happened is pretty much completely contradictory to what GGG fans value about him, how they expected him to fight, how he needed to fight in order to win rounds, etc etc etc.
     
  8. MismatchHypejob

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    The only thing is we've seen him in with a huge puncher in Lemiuex (who absolutely punches harder than Canelo) and we saw Golovkin was not afraid to jab his head to pieces.

    I agree with the fact it was very weird how Golovkin was so smiley after the fights and praising Canelo. Did he forget this guy is juiced to gills, robbed him twice and aged him out for the third time.

    Ive noticed this with all Canelo opponents since GGG2 (bar Billy Joe, who also seemingly came to win) praising him and thanking him for the opportunity. Its weird to say the least
     
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  9. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There you go again, get beat up again? Canelo's punches were bouncing off GGG like bullets bounce off of superman. Canelo couldnt faze him yet again, Canelo couldnt wait for the fight to be over cause he knew a extra big GGG was on the hunt and he was out of gas.
     
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  10. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo couldnt bluff the judges, they saw the low blows not being called and the punches being blocked and perried. People get caught up in Canelo's speed and explosiveness, but he has to land. Canelo only out landed GGG by 10 punches. When GGG out landed Canelo in both fights he get a draw and a loss. GGG out landed Canelo by nearly 50 punches in the first fight, and 30 or so in the second fight.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You should feel ripped off, it was £9.99 in the UK
     
  12. james5000

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    Bullying Callum Smiths corpse would have been something special if we hadn’t seen John Ryder do it earlier.

    Ryder doesn’t even have good hand speed.

    Smith was dead at the weight

    Saunders was fat and shot

    Plant is chinny

    GGG was a pensioner lol
     
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  13. kirk

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    Golovkin has always shown too much respect to his opponents power.

    While his performance against Canelo was exceptionally cautious, imo it simply had to do with him being 40 and not wanting to take as much damage, and maybe not trusting his chin as much at this point.

    Other thing to consider is that, it's harder to punch at a target you don't feel that you will hit. That's why defensive fighters lower their opponents punch output.

    Maybe in Golovkins age, he's not feeling as confident that he will land his punches, or land without getting countered, and finds himself waiting too often.

    As his target became more available, he opened up more.
     
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  14. kirk

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    He was wary of Lemieuxs power and scared of Jacob's power, imo.
     
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  15. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm amazed how naive you all are. Let's add more questions and I want you to work your logic, you'll find the answer yourself:

    • Why was Golovkin so hesitant at the start?
    • Why did Golovkin hit Murata like a mule and viciously knock him out 4 months ago, but so soft and tender against Canelo?
    • Why wasn't Canelo aggressive against Golovkin? Why didn't he try to knock him out although Golovkin is 40 and as people say here he is "shot, soft and old"?
    • When asked why he didn't attack aggressively at Golovkin as in first 2 matches, why did Canelo excused himself by saying: "Because I have injury in my hand"?
    • Why was Golovkin the happiest person in the world when it was announced that he lost the fight?
    • Why did Golovkin happily congratulate Canelo in the end?
    • Why did Golovkin say in the post fight press conference when asked about judge decisions: "I am 40 and I am wiser now than I was 36. I now understand better how boxing business works."
    • Why was Golovkin awarded 115-113 by 2 of the judges, although he actually won 2 rounds at max, considering the fact that Canelo has always been judges favorite all his career?