Why was Hopkins beating Trinidad considered such a big win for Hopkins?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why was Hopkins beating Trinidad considered such a big win for Hopkins?
    Hopkins debuted at LHW and was a long time MW. Trinidad was a former WW champ.
    Dont get me wrong Trinidad was a very good fighter but what many forget is that Trinidad was often being floored at WW and LMW. I can recall Trinidad going down 7 times before facing Hopkins and around 3 times after. So obviously Trinidad didnt have the greatest chin.
    Trinidad beat Joppy, but Trinidad had only had one MW fight and knowing he had been put down many times not to mention looking lucky to many against De La Hoya. Also there was the disputes over Trinidads hand wraps.
    We know with all of this that Trinidad didnt look indestructable.
    So why was Hopkins a fighter who debuted at LHW and a long time MW, beating former WW and often knocked down Trinidad considered such a big win?


    The next thing is why wasnt it considered such a big thing when Wright beat Trinidad. Wright was a former LMW and didnt even lose a round in scoring a clear decision over Trinidad?

    Discuss
     
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  2. Boxing Fanatic

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    hopkins was bigger than him, but, boy, what a massacre
     
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  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    Calzaghe fought only bums and old men.
     
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  4. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    *yawn* bored again blocky....so you post a thread on something you've gone OVER AND OVER already on? What's the matter, boxrec didn't tell ytou the whole story? :lol:

    Poor little insecure Brit. Don't worry, you can boost your fragile ego and pretend I am stalking you as usual, rather then the obvious reason, you're an ignorant ****. I'm sure headbanger will come here to wipe your ass something proper. :thumbsup
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wouldnt you have expected that, with a MW/LHW against a former WW?
    What about Wright?
     
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  6. qcolts

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    Trinidad was undefeated at the time and was basically the knockout king, coming off the destruction of Joppy. He was basically being looked at the way people view Pac right now. A little guy who keeps moving up and just demolishing guys. There were talks of setting up a match with pound for pound #1 roy jones at the time. BHOP changed all that. Also the fact that Trinidad had been floored so many times showed his vulnerability to fans and showed his heart to come back and knockout those opponents. Don't believe the handwraps were being talked about nearly as much until after the BHOP fight.
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lance_Uppercunt what are you doing here other than stalking me like a lost saddo :lol:.
    Once again you havent added anything to the post about boxing :patsch.
    Why would you think im insecure? You're the one that feels a need to come and seek me out :dead. Stalker
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Interesting.

    What about Wright?
     
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  9. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    You haven't added anything either ****. NOTHING. No insite, no analysis, nothing. Just your ignorance to most things American AND boxing. I don't seek you out anymore then I do other posters wh ostart threeds. But you can have your "play" time. Get your dollies. Now go play house with headbanger, tea and cumpets time luv! :hey
     
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  10. Lacyace

    Lacyace Forever Knight Full Member

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    Hopkins was the 3-1 underdog.
     
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  11. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In fairness to Trinidad, it was a case of him taking it a step too far, although I can't think of many mw's who would have beaten him at the time. Especially not so decisively.
     
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  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I asked a question **** :patsch. A question isnt about adding insight it is about recieving insight :patsch.
    Why would this thread be based about America? Two of the fighters mentioned are American but the other is Puerto rican.

    Whats so odd is you have all of these pet names for me ie Blocky, Diana and now Luv. Dont try and make me your girlfriend, you stick to the lounge where you can whinge about being single.
    Just another excuse to seek me out. Stalker :dead
     
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post. It was a decisive victory.
    What about Wright though? He didnt get so much credit
     
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  14. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    maybe b/c Tito was #1 p4p?
     
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  15. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you just have to remember how big Trinidad was during that time to appreciate the situation.

    Tito was coming off a string of big wins since 1999.

    De la Hoya (battle for welterweight supremacy)
    Reid (Undefeated Olympian and WBA 154 Champion)
    Thaim (Mandatory)
    Vargas (to unify the titles at 154)
    Joppy (WBA Champ @ 160)

    He was on an incredible run and was obliterating everyone in his way. With the exception of De la Hoya, he wasn't just beating guys, he was beating them up all while retaining his power and speed from 147. He beat William Joppy a pretty durable veteran contender with the same ease that he beat Campos at 147. He looked unstoppable despite his flaws. At the end of every fight it was routine for him to have his arms raised. Trinidad was a clear favorite in the fight with Hopkins and was soon going to move up to 168 to have a super fight with Roy Jones Jr.

    Size never mattered in the equation and Tito's win over Joppy showed that his power came up in weight with him. Much like Hagler vs Hearns, nobody thought of Hearns as being too small to compete.

    This was a huge win.

    His momentum was like Pac now, a WW moving up in weight and beating the bigger guys up.
     
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