Why was it easier for Holyfield vs Tyson

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  1. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    By your opinion Holy feared no one but this can't change the fact he has 10 heavyweight losses ( And what about the his first Lewis and Sherman Williams fights?) . Maybe these Holy beaters were better and tougher than Tyson but
    i think Holyfield vastly overrated because Evander beat a shot Tyson.
     
  2. GALVATRON

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    Holyfield trained his whole career for Tyson,thats WHY he became Hw to get the fight. Tysons style didnt maintain like Holyfields because the real tyson under Cus diminished through the years..that is just reality. Holyfield almost got knocked out in 91 by tyson like Cooper so lets not get crazy and think the smaller THEN Holyfield on less peds would have won. Tyson pleaded with King to make the fight or he would find another promoter before he went to prison and all that junk happened.

    Holyfield would win 4 out of 5 times in those late 90 years . Tyson buckled him with one uppercut..the old Tyson would have been all over him..if you want to know the differance between 91 Holyfield and 96 ,just look at the neck size!

    Holyfields counter punch /lateral style fell right into his favor vs the less speedy,combo/stationary Tyson who was easily being timed and hit off rythm and didnt have to work as hard as he did with the much taller long jabbers. The end.

    "He wasn't ready to fight, or he didn't want to fight," Rooney said. "When he got in the ring, I saw that he was scared. Right away, he threw a right hand, but Holyfield blocked it and threw one of his own. I could see Mike thinking, 'Uh oh. He just took my best shot.' Right then, the hero and the coward in him were arguing. The coward said, 'Let's get out of here.' But the hero in Mike won out, so at least he stayed in there and took a beating. I’ve seen him take a shot, ‘Said Mikes ex trainer, Kevin Rooney. ‘When he was 15, he sparred with Carl [The Truth] Williams in the gym and go nailed right on the button. He walked right though it, like it was nothing.’

    "It all has to do with the corner. His handlers know nothing. All they do is tell him how great he is. Preparing for a fight is the hardest part of being a champion. You have to put in a lot of work and a lot of effort. And you get a lot of criticism from the trainer, if the trainer knows what he is doing. The fight itself is the easiest part. Mike Tyson could have destroyed Holyfield. He is that good. But instead, he was that bad in the hands of those inept people. I felt sorry for him. It was pathetic."" Kevin Rooney
     
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  3. Bonecrusher

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    Look at my post again I didn't say he had it easy I said he had it easier than in the fights that I listed.. my point was clearly that lesser fighters then Mike Tyson gave Holyfield much more trouble than Mike Tyson did so that was my main question WHY would Holyfield struggle more with Michael Dokes then Mike Tyson, among others.
     
  4. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Like I said in my post everyone now claims Holyfield beat a shot Mike Tyson, yet at the time everybody claimed Holyfield was the shot fighter and even feared for his life figuring Tyson was really going to hurt him it's funny how history can change things for the people that can't swallow the fact that Holyfield beat Tyson handily.. And bringing up the fights post Tyson has nothing to do with my original question which I also stated I was not listing any fights post Tyson so bringing up Sherman Williams or Lennox Lewis has no bearing on this conversation because Holyfield was already beyond this Tyson fight.
     
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  5. Bonecrusher

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    I clearly stated I wasn't saying those fighters were better than Mike but what I was stating is they gave him more trouble in the ring than did Tyson.
     
  6. Bonecrusher

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    Good post
     
  7. Bonecrusher

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    Solid post
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Tyson was Holyfield's Everest and he sure came prepared to climb it. His physical and mental condition were honed to perfection and his strategy was absolute perfection. My favorite ever Holyfield performance, he was great.
     
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  9. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield was a better fighter full stop. All this bull**** about Holyfield planning his whole career around facing Tyson is just that, bull****!

    Tyson knew Evander was the real deal and was very wary of him as far back as their original scheduled bout. Tyson ranks Holyfield has one of the biggest punchers he faced, he was hurt as early as the second round by a shot to the temple in their first meeting. Evander out fought Tyson in every department and was much more resilient.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Reverse the circumstances then .... put Tyson in with Foreman, put him in 3 fights with Bowe, give him a diagnosis of heart condition, have him absorb the punishment Holyfield had absorbed, make him 4 years older, have him so obviously washed-up he enters the ring as a 8-1 underdog .....
     
  11. Bonecrusher

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    It was a great performance, the fact that most all doubted him made it even sweeter. I remember back in those pre internet days I bought any and every boxing magazine published and the Ring in particular picked Tyson KO1!!!! KO1!!!! Even then I was stunned. I had friends though that thought the same. They said Holyfield will come out fighting and that'll be his undoing. I also in addition to recording all the fights back then would record all the months of build up on ESPN, CNN and anywhere else it was covered. And I remember Jon Saraceno who was helping cover the fight for ESPN constantly talking about how "dangerous" this fight was for Holyfield.. I have multiple tapes full of pre and post fight coverage for this fight and its GOLD I really need to get some of this stuff on YouTube for all to enjoy someday.
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    People thought Holyfield would be killed.
    Two of my friends (one of which actually always reckoned Holyfield would have beat Tyson in 1989 and 1991 and was gutted he never got the chance to prove it) were worried for Holyfield's safety and didn't even want to watch the fight.
    Holyfield was over-the-hill, had been in many punishing wars, and had shown very poor stamina in recent years. He was expecting to come out fighting desperately in a kamikaze way because there's no way the war-torn old man would be able to avoid the inevitable KO loss for long anyway. Holyfield was a shell of his former self.
     
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  13. Bonecrusher

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    Yeah revisionist history is hilarious. Now everyone just claims Tyson was shot but like you just stated in your post and I stated in mine, at the time everyone expected Tyson to crush him ..

    If memory serves Holyfield opened at like a 25-1 or an 18-1 underdog or something like that, I know that it got down to 8 to 1 before the fight but still going in he was expected to be destroyed
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    It wasn't as if people were unaware of question marks about Tyson at the time either. He'd looked poor against Mathis Jr. but the Bruno fight had been an improvement on that. Even so, it was already accepted that Tyson wasn't what he had been. Yet he was still expected to crush Holyfield, and for two reasons : 1. Holyfield was worse damaged goods, over-the-hill, etc. and 2. People had always deluded themselves into thinking Tyson was the best of his generation and therefore better than Holyfield, which was simply a myth.
     
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  15. Wass1985

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    Does anyone get the impression that Holyfield was the bigger puncher in there, I certainly felt that way when watching the fight.
     
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