Why was Joe never challenged

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  1. Nuke

    Nuke Full Length Member Full Member

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    by any of our fighters when they were in their "primes"? Why does it have to be Joe doing the challenging? Why can't I make the arguement that RJJ/Hopkin/Toney/anybody else didn't want to fight Joe a few years back? RJJ was fighting clowns, or atleast making guys look like clowns. Hopkins was fighting some good comp but mostly overrated fighters like Trinidad and Joppy. Toney was eating ice cream.

    So why is it that Joe had to be the mover and shaker and get things to happen with these fighters? I don't recall once ever hearing Hopkins or Jones saying they want to fight Joe and Joe ducking them.
     
  2. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably some of the same reasons why Joe chose to fight his last fight in MSG.
     
  3. ghostlybadge

    ghostlybadge Punch Drunk Full Member

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    why were the fans not demanding jones/hopkins fight this young fighter from UK. like they are demanding JC fight CD or pavlik
     
  4. Nuke

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    I tend to think that American fighter just hoped he'd go away before they got called on why they aren't fighting him. Then when he didn't they tried to intimidate him by saying "oh he won't fight outside of the U.K." but convienently leave out the fact THEY themselve didn't want to go over there.
     
  5. Nuke

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    Lacy is the only American with the balls to go over and try to do something that a "prime" Jones or Hopkins wouldn't even try to do.
     
  6. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    cunningham
    garay
    froch
    dzindurek
    bradley

    etc etc

    any fighter who is seen as a threat, but little money no matter what the continent gets ignored by the superstars of the sport.
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    So you think he could have beaten Hopkins in 2002 on the basis that that's when he tried to make the fight with him, presumably?
     
  8. Nuke

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    So he needed to make a name for himself? Do you mean he needed to make a name so that YOU fightfan312 can say he is ****? I love how Americans think that everyone in the world needs America to validate them. hahahahaha So its ok that Jones was fighting cans as long as they were American cans? I see.
     
  9. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe looks sloppy. Nobody would guess, even from his better fights pre-Lacy, that he would have a chance against the Joneses and BHops of the world. I have a feeling even Joe and Enzo didn't think they could.

    For me, it all comes back to Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy, in-between rounds one and two: "He can't punch ****!" Calzaghe exorts surprised. "He ain't ****-all!"

    "I know he isn'!" Enzo states nervously. "Keep working behind the double-jab! Are you listnin', Joe?!"

    ***

    After the fight the Calzaghe's would realize that maybe the American superstars weren't a cut above -- a league beyond -- a bridge too far. Maybe, just maybe, Calzaghe could compete and win.

    I believe the knowing you could, possibly, and never trying would drive any athlete with a will to win insane. Never knowing? Let alone Joe Calzaghe, the driven Whelsh Dragon. He made the most out of what I can only call his second career, started with Jeff Lacy.
     
  10. Nuke

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    I know who Jones beat as well as who Hopkins and Toney beat. My point is Joe was undefeated at the time, why was he not disposed of back then when they where IN there primes if Joe was such an easy victory? If they had then guess what, Joe would have never had beaten them now, right?
     
  11. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    risk/reward
    not a big name
    money
     
  12. fidds

    fidds Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins was supposed to fight joe for a very good purse but he pulled out at the last minuete by doubling his pay demands.

    says it all really :think
     
  13. Bo Bo Olson

    Bo Bo Olson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yep, and Joe ducked Ottka....no matter how you how to see it, you do not offer the two belt champ 1/3, and less than he got for fighting in Germany.
    A couple of times Joe got bad hands when talking to Ottka's camp about a fight, when it seemed serious.
    I sort of remember that, in it took me a few years to appreciate Ottka...like learning to like dirty tasting sour French wine...and finding out that is the way it is supposed to taste.
    And as to that fight were Ottka edged out a win, when the guy changed strategy in the 8th. Some of that guys punches were not counted because they were illegal cuffing punches...The Germans do do that sort of thing; like not counting illegal punches as points, odd as that may seem.
    The guy should never have changed his stratagy which was working.

    The only reason I can think that that guy changed his stratagy, was Ottka's shoulder punches were taking thier toll....That being Ottka's best weapon.....In fact I too was one of those stupid vierwers who wondered how a man could be so inaccurate with his right.
    In Ottka's last fight were he was going for a KO, that he didn't get...I was terribly shocked to see that Ottka's rightr could hit the head just like any one elses. He had fooled me all those years.
     
  14. Nuke

    Nuke Full Length Member Full Member

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    So its ok for Hopkins to get paid but not Joe? hmmmm ok then.
     
  15. JonOli

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    Well neither were these guys "challenged", but they all went to fight prime young fighters in the States.

    Hatton
    Turpin
    Buchanan
    Benn
    Bruno
    Lewis
    Huneyghan
    McGuigan
    Woods