Why was Marciano so successful?

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  1. McGrain

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    My point is that his people chasing a small ring for him means nothing. Any champion who wants to stalk will want a smaller ring. It was why Hagler giving up the bigger ring to Leonard was seen as so extraordinary and why it is almost a mythic "bad move" now.

    I think he had good functional footwork that got him where he needed to be. It was ugly, like a lot about him was ugly, but it was highly functional I think.
     
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  2. mcvey

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    I disagree I think his footwork and I include his balance here was pretty poor. Hagler's biggest mistake was conceding the 12 rds distance not the ring size .
     
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  3. McGrain

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    No ATG champion had poor footwork.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    You've seen them all to make that statement?
    I think you just evaded the question or, at the very least ,f*dged your answer.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    :lol:

    No ATG champ i've ever seen had bad footwork.

    Marciano did not, in my opinion, have bad footwork.

    Marciano had, in my opinion, highly functional footwork.
     
    McGrain, Dec 30, 2015
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  6. mcvey

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    I could say what constitutes "bad foot work?"
    Slow feet-Arguello, lack of ability to cut off the ring-Liston, falling over after missing punches- Marciano?

    But I'll leave it with your qualified response .


    I've just side- stepped one argument, it's too late in the evening to get into another.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    What percentage of his punches did Marciano fall over after missing? Do you think it would be as high as .05%?
     
    McGrain, Dec 30, 2015
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Walcott just wasn't that good. At his best Rocky smashed him.
     
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  9. Anubis

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    :thinkHmmm...I've gotta check this out as well...

    Dong Dinkhell?
     
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  10. mcvey

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    I don't know but there is film footage of him doing it ,how many ATG's have you seen replicate it?
     
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  11. hussleman

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    Old, past prime fighters in rocky title reign helped him be overrated.
     
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  12. The Mongoose

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    Which time zone and region?

    Ever hear of the midnight sun? It is very possible to be light out at midnight, wrong again, dude.
     
    The Mongoose, Dec 30, 2015
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  13. McGrain

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    Has any other ATG fallen over after throwing a punch? Yeah definitely. But I don't know of any off the top of my head.

    But let's say Marciano is the only fighter of great standing to fall over after throwing a punch; furthermore, let's say he did it twice.

    What do you think that would mean?
     
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  14. salsanchezfan

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    Well there was Ray Robinson falling over trying to tag Joey Maxim, but he was near death from heat exhaustion. Doesn't really count.
     
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  15. The Mongoose

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    Last time this was brought up it was pointed out Tyson did this a few times in his alleged prime. It means nothing, shorter man loading up and missing against a taller opponent.
     
    The Mongoose, Dec 30, 2015
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