Why was Marciano so successful?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Rocky being a clumsy fighter is an Ali era myth.

    Marciano-Walcott II: Rocky parries a jab from Walcott with perfection, and quickly follows up with a left hook, right uppercut KO. (Wait till you see it in HD on my next video)

    Clumsy? lol, nope.
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    For the last few days I've been sifting through HD footage of Marciano.

    Wow. FRIGHTENING. Terrifying. Absolute savage.

    You all thought you knew Marciano. You're about to relearn everything.
     
  3. mcvey

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    I'd say balance is integral to good footwork and if a fighter did it twice , and we know Marciano did , it would mean he did not have good footwork. And that would necessarily mean
    that those saying he had good foot work were wrong,and that those,me ,saying he didn't ,were right.
     
  4. reznick

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    When you have ATG's sprawled over the ropes looking like lifeless bodies, discussing footwork is as superfluous as talking about the color of his shoes!
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I thin it's ludicrous to say because a fighter fell over twice he had bad footwork.

    His footwork was good enough to shepherd Josey Joe Walcott who has some of the best footwork in the history of the division.

    He also pegged Charles with it.

    He's plodding but his footwork is really good for his battering-ram style.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    "Once, he swung so wildly that he missed and slipped clumsily to the canvas" 2nd Lastarza fight. You have your opinion etc..
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Sometimes in baseball you`ll hear them say a pitcher is "effectively wild" That`s how I view Rocky. He had an awkward wild sort of aggression that his opponents could not really figure out or time consistently.
     
  8. choklab

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    Tyson did this against Smith. I'm sure he fell down another time too.

    Frazier went over against Buster Mathis.

    Ali slipped whilst throwing a punch at Frazier.

    Lennox Lewis and Shannon Briggs toppled over like Carnera and Baer.
     
  9. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Round 9.


    Holyfield vs Holmes


    Holyfield missed a wild left hook, lost his balance, and clumsily slipped to the canvas.

    Shocking!
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

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    I've been watching him a fair amount over the last couple of days, and what strikes me most is the way he punches. He doesn't just punch the way many do, but rather he puts his entire body into each punch and I think that does a number of things, one is it has more impact, two is given how close he generally throws these punches he seems to throw combo's fairly effortlessly. And personally I don't think it's all that unusual to look awkward when you miss with punches that have everything in them and you're fully committed to throwing, that just comes with the territory to some degree.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No one threw power shots the way Rocky did, with that ferocity for 15 rounds.

    Some might have thrown better shots one off but I can't see anyone being that consistently threatening.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Marciano`s conditioning was uncommon. Some of it was probably the work he put in but also maybe just God given stamina. The guy was a machine.

    Supreme Stamina/Condition
    Power from both sides of the plate.
    Uncommon determination/desire to win
    The ability to create openings through feinting and also relentless pressure both physical and mental on his opponent
     
  13. Big Red

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    Marciano threw a large variety of different type punches. He was hard to anticipate because his attack was varied and was possibly the hardest puncher with both fists of all time. Maybe he lacked some speed but not much more then that, he was smart,had skill defensively and offensively. On top of these things he had all time great stanima, determination and chin.
     
  14. reznick

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    The closest puncher I've seen to Marciano is Foreman.

    Difference is Foreman threw punches standing straight up. Rocky threw them while moving his entire body. Besides that, very similar punchers.
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Many here really don't know much of anything about Marciano technically. The idea he was some unskilled brute with no balance is a complete fallacy. Rocky was cute in there. Always moving his head, parrying, slipping, sliding out away from punches and then keenly sliding back in to hammer home power shots to the head and body. These were the reasons why sharpshooters like Moore, Walcott both of whom were convinced they would hit Rocky at will but in the ring found they could not do so.