Why was Max Baer able to destroy Max Schmeling?

Good stuff. Baer is good for a quote...

Love the film's banner stating its a light heavyweight fight.

Also revealing is that Baer appears to have the quicker hands. Definitely more of a combination puncher.

Too bad Schmeling didn't have a left hook. It could have come in handy haha pardon the pun.

 

Oh I totaly understand what you´re talking about. Its these unknown troublemakers all the time, nobody even knows here on BF24:

I mean, they rarely do a post anyway, do they?

But just when I´m doing my daily Marciano-Walcott KO1 session, they sneak in all of sudden!

Right when its getting good and the flushes kick in, these gadflies flatten the playground. After that, I normally can´t launch another rocket by myself and wait until one of the REAL classic guys starts another monochromatic frenzy. Thats where the good stuff is brought to the table!

 

From what I've read about the fight, Baer was extremely motivated by all the Anti-Semitism that was coming out of Nazi Germany. Not that Schmeling was a Jew hater, he actually saved Jews during Kristalnacht in Germany. But Baer was determined to destroy Hitler's image of the Aryan Superman, that Hitler bestowed upon Schmeling. A lot like Tokyo Douglas showing up against Mike Tyson in a way.

 

I think that's the result of ,"creative journalism",Baer's "Jewishness" was extremely tenuous at best.
Anyone ever seen a quote from Adolf in which he refers to Schmeling as an " Aryan Superman?" Schmeling like Hitler,Goebbels,Goering, Hess, were hardly typical examples of blond ,blue eyed Aryans,which myth of course, along with the Siegfried legends, was borrowed from the Scandinavians anyway.

 

If you study Schmeling you learn he was a survivor .. he may not have been a Nazi but there are many photos of him with Hitler at multiple occasions, some unposed and he does not look forced. He was a Zelig of sorts that navigated the waters as best suited him during eras of shifting times. As far as Baer goes, he was far from an intellectual.

 

When a fighter is motivated to overcome a social or religious obstacle, he's going to have a good effort and performance more often than not. He's not fighting for just himself, he sees it as a need for his people.

In this case, Baer wanted to show the world a Jew could beat a Nazi in a fair fight. Baer when motivated was a top fighter.

If Braddock was German citizen, Max's effort would have been much better.

The below link is worth a read:

[url]http://www.boxing.com/baer_vs._schmeling.html[/url]

 

KQUOTE="he grant, post: 19647302, member: 30974"]If you study Schmeling you learn he was a survivor .. he may not have been a Nazi but there are many photos of him with Hitler at multiple occasions, some unposed and he does not look forced. He was a Zelig of sorts that navigated the waters as best suited him during eras of shifting times. As far as Baer goes, he was far from an intellectual.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt Schmeling was pragmatical as far as the Nazi Party was concerned,but given invitations to meet the head of a totalitarian state he would have been a rather stupid man to spurn them don't you think?
We know this, Schmeling hid Jews during Krystall Nacht, never joined the Nazi party, and contributed towards Joe Louis' funeral. I'd call him a fundamentally decent man caught up in a maelstrom not of his own making.
Can any of us be certain we would act any better than he did if we were placed in the same circumstances?

 

Total nonsense from a cretin.
Hitler did not come to power until the end of January1933.
Schmeling fought Baer in the US in June of that year.
The USA was largely ignorant of Hitler's plans for the Jews at this time .

 

Boxers have claimed lineage to different races since boxing began.Some have changed their allegiances to suit their circumstances.
Mike Rossman= Jewish Mike De Piano= Italian =Same man.
Mustafa Hamsho=Arab Mike ?=Same man.
Several early Italian boxers changed their names to ones implying a different ethnicity .Jim Flynn was of Italian stock so were Johnny Dundee,Tony Ross etc .
Back in the day the Italians weren't so popular neither did they have a huge fan base
The Jewish community have always been fight fans and claiming Jewish ancestory was always a financially rewarding thing to do.
Likewise the Irish.
Baer was motivated by financial reasons not faith ones, and he never practised the Jewish faith.

 

I have no doubt Schmeling was pragmatical as far as the Nazi Party was concerned,but given invitations to meet the head of a totalitarian state he would have been a rather stupid man to spurn them don't you think?
We know this, Schmeling hid Jews during Krystall Nacht, never joined the Nazi party, and contributed towards Joe Louis' funeral. I'd call him a fundamentally decent man caught up in a maelstrom not of his own making.
Can any of us be certain we would act any better than he did if we were placed in the same circumstances?[/QUOTE]

I agree to a degree but he did develop more of a sophisticated balance as he became as older , wiser man .. there has been much written about him during is professional boxing career ( again a young man on scale ) that he was a phony opportunitst morphing with whatever way best suited him and that he lacked integrity ..

 

I agree to a degree but he did develop more of a sophisticated balance as he became as older , wiser man .. there has been much written about him during is professional boxing career ( again a young man on scale ) that he was a phony opportunitst morphing with whatever way best suited him and that he lacked integrity ..[/QUOTE]
Well he wasn't being an opportunist when he risked serious consequences sheltering Jews during Kristall Nacht, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

There wasn't just the one incident where he intervened in order to help Jews, there were actually a number of incidents like this.

He did not attract attention to them after the war, because he was living in West Germany.