Why was Muhammad Ali so mean to Joe Frazier?

Bryant Gumbel wrote an article calling Joe Frazier the white peoples champ? On a side note, a comedian, whom I don't remember, once said that Bryant Gumbel was so white he made Wayne Brady look like Flavor Flav. Back to the point, Ali was just an ******* on occasion. I think initially, he was just talking crap, however, he noticed that the Uncle Tom and Gorrilla statements pissed Joe off, so he continued to say those things. Did he go too far? Yes he did.

 

Actually it's "Wayne Brady is so white he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X".

It was a joke by comedian Paul Mooney on the amazing "Chappelle's show".

 

I asked Ali about this and he told me that he commited one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century just for the sole purpose of gaining the LULZ.



What alot of people don't realize about Ali is,he was,in fact,a real life troll.He merely used boxing as a platform for his trolling ways.The whole "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong" was just a way of pissing off conservative white America after he got tired of trolling the boxing establishment.




A truly despicable,disgusting,evil,**** poor excuse for a human being,but,man....what a troll he was!

It's an interesting reversal of roles,isn't it? Mike Tyson has a highly publicized documentary that portrays him in a positive light,as a man who's been wronged his entire life and who's mellowed and gained humility over the last few years.As the result,Tyson has once again been accepted by the mainstream American culture as something other than a freak and a savage,and almost adopted as this comedic,teddy bear figure who we can all laugh along with.Ali,on the other hand,has a documentary that ruthlesslesly rips him apart,attacks his character and attempts to diminish and discredit him as a public figure in an obvious hatchet job documentary.And,as the result of this,Ali's reputation has taken quite a hit over the last two years.

 

I believe when Ali actually stopped and thought about what he said, he really didn't understand the whole premise of the Viet Nam War, but stood up for his beliefs about not going to fight for someone else's freedom meanwhile he's not free man merica.

Ali knew what he was getting into, he just didn't understand the magnitude of it all and was a little scared about serving a prison sentence.

 

as some of you have said, ali was simply an *******. when you get older, you get wiser. he regrets it now.

 

Ali, just like Tyson, in the end, just wasn't a great person young. He grew up, and certainly grew into his role as boxing's ambassador. Tyson mellowed and managed to stop looking like a crazy nutbar.

He took things to extremes to promote radical views, and he went after a vulnerability in an opponents mindset because it worked, and he didn't care to draw a line.

He may have well been a scumbag. But Mr.Tyson assaulted a fair few people with his words and fists(Including his wife, who was defenseless) and deserves no more of a free pass than Ali gets.

This sport is a cruel environment, and a total nice guy is rarer than an *******. I for one am glad both guys managed to help the sport in the way they did, and every time I met Ali, 70's on, he was a wonderful and polite guy, which I doubt he was in the 60's. Tyson, I've not had a good experience with, but I havent had more than 10 minutes dialogue with him since 2004, and I didn't know him when Cus' influence was still fresh.

 

The young Ali was an angry man. He was very mean to Terrell, though Terrell probably deserved it. Ali gave a true legend in Moore zero respect. Many times Ali would stand next to a fallen opponent with his arms up and mouth wide open. Even as a old man, Ali showed no repsect to Holmes, calling Larry all types of names, and delaying the start of round one.

 

Quick question for the Americans posting on this subject - are you black or white and were you around at the time (60s / 70s)?

Apologies if the question is very direct and sounds racist, I was just curious to know what the perceptions today are of boxing fans of both races who were around at the time.

 

I work with a guy now who is near 70yrs of age. He served the US navy in Hawaii for 3yrs and also served in Siagon where he was nearly killed as is very lucky to be alive. I was picking his brains over things as hes a fascinating guy to talk to, when the subject of Ali came up. Now, he had no idea i was a big fan of Ali, so i asked him what was the consensus amongst his peers when the whole draft dodging issue was big news. He said that they loved him for it, that non of them wanted to be there either and that he was supported for his stance. Of course there were some who hated him for it but the guy said he could only speak for himself and the people he knew.

Make of that what you will.

 

As some people have already said, I think the real answer is just that sometimes Ali could be a total dick of the highest order. Some of the things he said, if other people said them in a different place and time they would be hung out to dry. In his defence though, I genuinely dont think he properly understood a lot of what he was talking about and was brainwashed by other people, he was one of the most intelligent fighters of all time in the ring but I dont think he was particularly intelligent as a person.

 

I agree. That and he tried to throw Frazier off mentally but insulting him. But Frazier was never thrown off. His families life was threatened for the first fight and he still took care of business. Watch the HBO Documentary "Thrilla In Manilla" That breaks things down tremendously.

 

He was, deep down, intimidated by Frazier's courage, and manliness.