Why was Ray leonard so overrated?

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  1. Dantes

    Dantes ESB Magnate Full Member

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    Coming from a poser sporting a Christina Aguilera Pic- you're a ****ing homo.:good
     
  2. Icemmann

    Icemmann Breakin it down. Full Member

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    :lol: :lol:
     
  3. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard was favored wasn't he? Same situation with Hagler when Leonard beat him which is what you keep pointing out to me.

    :lol: You just can't take it when the shoe is on the other foot!

    I'm sure you had no reservations or that most people had no reservations when it came down-pointing out experience. He still lost! :lol:
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sticks and stones from a man who can't defend his views. Let me guess, you're from the hood right? So you aren't worth a **** anyway.

    You know she makes you hard every time you look at her.

    Bernard still sucks!
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was Leonard Hagler's last fight? You have no reservations giving Leonard credit for the win and even brag about it.
     
  7. Icemmann

    Icemmann Breakin it down. Full Member

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    Hagler won all his recent fights before then and was relatively active. Leonard wasn't.
     
  8. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Leonard beat Hagler, Hearns and Duran. It isn't possible to "overrate" a man that beat all 3 of those fighters. End of story. Stupid Thread.
     
  9. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray was and is still regarded by almost every credible boxing person (writer , fighter, trainer, promoter, pundit and fanatic) as one of the finest and most courageous fighter of all time, if you think otherwise you are just a very biased or ignorant uneducated fool. Ray Charles Leonard is a fabulous pioneer to the game and has a legacy that superceeds that of almost all fighters past or present along with your Ali's , Holmes's and Robinsons. He was greater than you are meking him out to be... He was only overrated in your tiny mind..

    Go follow another sport loser.
     
  10. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard was relatively active compared with his activity before beating Hagler. It gets tough when you run out of excuses doesn't it?
     
  11. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    ray leonard was a good fighter amazing handspeed could sit down on his punches and hit hard he could box and move could fight on the inside well....but

    he was hype he was a great fighter for sure but he was a lucky guy.

    he wins the olympics in style and then in his first pro fight...2 tv crews and half of balrimore came to see him...he was the amir khan of his days.

    he had also came in when ali was leaving the sport and as leonard copied many moifs and tricks he was a mini ali and people latched on to him becuase of it.

    he also was a good looking guy big smile typical pretty boy looks.and it looks great on commercials when you have a fighter who is nice looking and has handspeed and is very trim it sells.

    he was getting paid millions way before he was a welterwieght champion and this is what isnt right where as duran,hagler hearns all fought there way to the top ray didnt need to he was a celeb and was above boxing he could fight anybody in the division he didnt go up the rankings he just chose people to be his entertainment. that is not a fighter that is a politician.

    it was just sugar ray leonard ,suger ray loenard ,suger ray leonard everywhere. form 7 up to ban on drugs he was in your face all the time.
    even out of the ring on a retirement he was making press issues all the time.

    got dubiuos wins over hagler hearns and duran which we are still wondering what happend.

    i have nothing wrong with his skills and stuff but he only picked his opponents when they were exposed or not given advantges. duran was wieghing in at welter two divsions than he was in his prevouis bout, hearns was young and wasnt the force we saw later one circa light middle to super middle not just that ray ran for the high hills from hearns becuase of his power speed and hieght.and sat on his belt till hearns (who has only had 4 yeard pro experience) was shown he couldnt fight on the inside and could only use his jab to win...once the price/time was right boom hearns leonard was in the works,hagler was now the vastly older man and had shown alot of wear and tear his fight with john mugabi was a war but it shouldnt of been and the same with hearns. hagler was easier to hit than ever before. and in that hagler didnt look that half bad.....so when the cards are anounced and leonard says you won to hagler ray wins? and now becuase he is middlewieght king he has full privilages and just stayed far away from hagler as he could.

    it's not his skill it's his way of legacy is slightly tilted and distorted.
     
  12. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    beat by duran in the rematch it was a close fight till duran said "fuk it"
    getting beat by hearns and eaked a very cheasy decision in the rematch
    and hagler - leonard a robbery
    :goodgreat wins
     
  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, I think I'll stay here in the general section for a while. Hey speaking of losers can you tell me why leonard lost the way he did to Norris who was the big underdog? The fact that Ray is loved by almost every "credible" writer, trainer, promoter, pundit, and fanatic is no surprise to me. They all picked him to win so that tells me little.

    With his experience and great know how, Ray should have found a way to win but in reality he lost not only by a little but a lot to a guy he was supposed to beat.
     
  14. Icemmann

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    Lightining doesn't strike twice, Leonard was at an age where it was still possible for him to overcome the long layoff and still be effective.

    Against Norris he was vastly older, and with a fighter that utilises Leonards style and relies on his speed and reflexes it is desasterous.


    Come on bud. You going to rate Hopkins Higher than Jones now, since he beat both the guys that managed to knock his dick in the dirt?


    Your logic sucks.
     
  15. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    :think well norris was a dman good fighter and a bad style for ray but i get your point he was the betting fav and should of won on cards when he is fighting possibly the best(or top 3) light middlewieght of all time.