Why was Ray leonard so overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by redrooster, Sep 3, 2007.


Page 3 of 5
  1. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

    20,794
    559
    Jul 11, 2006
    well ray never was on a lay off he was always trim he would be doing road work after the comacho fight.

    he was a guy opsesed on being in shape which helps alot same with delahoya
     
    Vantage_West, Sep 4, 2007
    Vantage_West, Sep 4, 2007
    #31
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,635
    331
    Jan 29, 2005
    hell yeah. I watched Terry in his fight with Jackson before he got blown out but I thought damn that boy is fast! He give anyone trouble.

    Then one night about a year and half later I heard that Ray leonard signed to fight him and that's when I knew Ray was going to be in for some trouble thinking Ray shouldn't fight him. I actually thought ray should have retired after the Hagler fight.

    I knew what was up with him when he came out in '86-we all remember his publicity stunt trying to get Marvin in the ring and that after that fight, Ray wouldn't take the option to make a defense.

    But he just kept on fighting which makes what you said earlier legit-that he was picking his opponents at the right time waiting for them to soften like a vulture waiting for its prey to die lest it give scratch out an eye while it's doing its pecking.

    I have to give him credit for taking the Norris fight tho-kind of like giving an F student points for showing up to class. It was a nice change from his previous act.

    Good points West. :good
     
    redrooster, Sep 4, 2007
    redrooster, Sep 4, 2007
    #32
  3. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

    3,269
    2
    May 23, 2006
    he was?
     
    El Bombasto, Sep 4, 2007
    El Bombasto, Sep 4, 2007
    #33
  4. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,062
    4
    Jul 19, 2004
    obviously this is the first time you've met redrooster. Ill make an sat analogy for you all

    Carlito is to Floyd Mayweather as...
    Redrooster is to Ray Leonard
     
    Illmatic, Sep 4, 2007
    Illmatic, Sep 4, 2007
    #34
  5. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,545
    98
    Jan 10, 2006
    ok case closed, he is just biased , i can't hate a biased guy..

    The fact he rated Ray on the Norris fight tells me that already.. poor ******* has to live with having a swayed mind..
     
    Bigcat, Sep 4, 2007
    Bigcat, Sep 4, 2007
    #35
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,635
    331
    Jan 29, 2005
    ^ It's always easier to agree on something that's to our liking than to acknowledge a painful truth. (see post#31)
     
    redrooster, Sep 4, 2007
    redrooster, Sep 4, 2007
    #36
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,635
    331
    Jan 29, 2005
    You want the truth? You can't handle the truth *****! :lol:
     
    redrooster, Sep 4, 2007
    redrooster, Sep 4, 2007
    #37
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

    28,518
    81
    Sep 3, 2007
    red rooster says
    why was ray leonard so overrated ?


    Bill Butcher says
    hagler, hearns, duran & benitez, you silly boy.
     
    Bill Butcher, Sep 4, 2007
    Bill Butcher, Sep 4, 2007
    #38
  9. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    41,953
    3,419
    Jun 30, 2005
    Where do you get this crap information from? This is the same nonsense you were spewing in the Classic Forum. I'd used to this with Rooster because I find his Ray-bashing slightly entertaining, but this is crap.

    Duran had been fighting @ welterweight for two and a half years before he fought Leonard, and even dominated a world class welterweight (and future HOFer) in Carlos Palomino a year earlier.

    Hearns was never as consistent at stopping guys than he was as a welterweight. Sure quality of opposition also played a factor, but Hearns's power above 147 for awhile was a question mark. It was after a decision win over Minchillo when Tommy said to Manny in the locker room "it's back" while looking at his right hand, referring to the power and stability of his often injured hand. Then came the Duran massacre when it was clear Tommy still had murderous power above 147.

    Furthermore, how do you sit on a belt and run for the high hills when it took a grand total of one year for the unification bout to materialize?

    Hearns beat Pipino in August 1980. Leonard's two bouts with Duran were in June and November 1980. Unless you count that neverending time period of TEN MONTHS post-No Mas until SRL-Hearns 1.
     
    Thread Stealer, Sep 4, 2007
    Thread Stealer, Sep 4, 2007
    #39
  10. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,980
    0
    May 11, 2006
    now your exaggerating:lol:
     
    bigtime9, Sep 4, 2007
    bigtime9, Sep 4, 2007
    #40
  11. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    41,953
    3,419
    Jun 30, 2005
    Rooster's got knowledge, it's just that he uses it to distort everything into something anti-Leonard.
     
    Thread Stealer, Sep 5, 2007
    Thread Stealer, Sep 5, 2007
    #41
  12. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,570
    0
    Mar 5, 2006
    Are you that insecure about your opinion that you need convince us all?

    Think Ray is overrated? Each to their own I suppose.

    He won a gold medal, defeated some ATG's and he has won titles at 5 different weight divisions. That is enough for me to consider Sugar Ray Leonard as one of the greatest fighters of our time. :hi:
     
    dave82, Sep 5, 2007
    dave82, Sep 5, 2007
    #42
  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,635
    331
    Jan 29, 2005
    It has to do with acceptance and Ray isn't accepted because he wasn't good enough, wasn't dominant the way Roy Jones was. Every judgement I make is based upon logic, not emotion.

    Who hasn't won a gold medal.

    Henry Tillman won a medal.

    Leon Spinks won a medal.

    Even Breland won a medal but wasn't **** as a pro.

    Mark had too many frailties and was an accident waiting to happen which is what happend in the Aaron Davis fight when they carted him off in the ambulance.

    The best fighter to ever come out of the olympics in my opinion was Roy Jones. He didn't make an impression on me in the amateurs but defied description even early as a pro.

    I don't buy into leonard winning 5 titles that's garbage winning two titles in one day. Why try to hide it? We all know it was a farce that only put him
    under more scrutiny and criticism.

    You can't possibly think anyone is simpleminded enough to think he won five titles so why even bring it up?

    No defenses of his titles except at 147 losing it early. I know Duran was tough but Ray was bigger than him and younger. His win over Hagler could easily have gone against him-I think Hagler edged him. I really don't care what the judges said so even the third title is in question.

    I just don't think Ray has enough of a career or accomplishments to boast of. So I can justifiably say that he was a pretty good fighter.
     
    redrooster, Sep 5, 2007
    redrooster, Sep 5, 2007
    #43
  14. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,570
    0
    Mar 5, 2006
    Ok dude, you win. You think Ray is overrated I dont. End of discussion
     
    dave82, Sep 5, 2007
    dave82, Sep 5, 2007
    #44
  15. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

    26,390
    2
    Mar 13, 2007
    Yeah logic . . . logic my ass. :yep

    Ray isn't accepted? By who? :think

    Check the International Boxing Hall of Fame website before you open your big mouth moron. :hey

    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
    psychopath, Sep 5, 2007
    psychopath, Sep 5, 2007
    #45
Page 3 of 5