Why was the recent Silva fight any worse than GSP vs Hardy UFC111?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by james4210, Apr 17, 2010.


  1. tri-pod

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    If you want to know what he looks like on a good day go watch Silva/Griffin.
     
  2. horst

    horst Guest

    Hitting but "not getting hit" is a boxing term, and it seems you are another MMA fan who does not understand what it actually means. The post below was made by me last week in response to another deluded Silva apologist, but it will suffice here just as well:

     
  3. fightfan311

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    the op is obviously a little slow and just does not get it. he really should stick to watching tennis or something like that.
     
  4. horst

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    True. Most MMA fans I know hold the same principles about fighting and 'not getting hit' as boxing fans do. Running the clock down and trying to minimize contact is just as pathetic in MMA as it is in boxing. Though not quite as pathetic as this thread.
     
  5. Vitor Belfort

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    Are you serious? GSP tried to finish the fight. He had hardy on an armbar and a kimura but hardy is one tough mofo. Silva did nothing but dance around and act stupid.
     
  6. jrow

    jrow Active Member Full Member

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    gsp came to compete and siva came to compete for 3 minutes and then practice his new dance moves
     
  7. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Silva was just being disrespectful is all. Of course he outclassed his opponent, but he could have done more, and finished the fight at any time instead of clowning around.
    GSP/ Hardy did all they could to eachother to win.

    So, that's the difference. Silva wasn't fighting nobody in his league, but only put up 50% of his performance. GSP/ Hardy put up all the performance they had. I do think a lot of MMA fights are boring, but I can even see the difference.
     
  8. No Fear

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    One should not lay blame at the feet of Silva for the fight not being 25 minutes of non-stop action.

    What did Maia do with his chance of a lifetime? He made a few half-assed attempts at taking Silva down and then swung a few aimless punches. He was happy to survive.

    I would rather watch 25 minutes of Silva showboating than 25 minutes of Grease Saint Pierre dry humping another man.
     
  9. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Are you being obtuse?

    Silva for the last 10 mins, ran and hardly did anything at all. Maia was even calling him on to fight.

    GSP was trying to win the fight
     
  10. No Fear

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    I appreciate work on the ground but find greasaint pierre's ultimate floor cuddling incredibly soporific; 'trying to win the fight' or not, it is stupifying to watch for 25 minutes straight. It does not appear as though there is a welterweight out there who has either the TDD or the ground game required to keep GSP honest and keep the fight on its feet. So what you get is the sort of fight which blokes like Arum and Hopkins will cite when they say MMA is gay.

    In any event, one could not have envisaged that Silva practically refusing to engage for the final two (and a bit) rounds and throughout rounds 4 and 5, I was waiting and anticipating as Silva was circling Maia for the moment Maia would become so frustrated that he lose concentration for just enough time for Silva to mount an offensive that would have ended the fight. That's what kept me interested at the time - there is nothing about GSP taking the fight to the ground and rubbing himself on another man for the points victory that keeps me interested enough to want to watch him fight. I did not bother watching rounds 3, 4 or 5 of his fight againgt Hardy. In hindsight, I would not rewatch the final 10 to 12 minutes of the fight because I know that Silva was actually skirmishing rather than preparing to engage.

    Alright?
     
  11. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So Silva deliberately put his UFC career in jeopardy did he?
     
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  13. james4210

    james4210 Active Member Full Member

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    The Karate Kid (1984)

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    Daniel: Where am I, this ring over here?
    Miyagi: Hai. Number three.
    Daniel: What's that guy kneeling like that for?
    Miyagi: Don't know.
    Daniel: Don't you know anything you can tell me?
    Miyagi: Hai. No get hit.


    Not too quick on the old uptake there are you.


    You have been suckered big-time by Maia. he was the most frightened rabbit fighter that I think I've ever seen. He is the challenger, does absolutely bugger all, yes absolutely sweet FA the entire flight. Had his face smashed in.


    And Maia pulled some real odious, cynical bull**** to get himself off the hook for being total chicken **** himself.
     
  14. james4210

    james4210 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with the points you make here. that's why GSP and Penn fights were so good. But GSP and Hardy Forget about ground and pound, it was more like ground and sound-asleep.

    It's like the Emperor's new Clothes situation, many people are unwilling to admit MMA has got a serious problem. and that problem is demonstrated absolutely in the GSP Hardy fight. that problem is the extremely dull ground humping stuff.

    It's assumed that it's a boxing fan attacking MMA. no I am a huge MMA fan pointing out what is pretty obvious.

    Second point regarding Silva's performance

    Many fans seem to think it's somehow an unavoidable force of nature when a fight goes to the ground. No this is not the case, a fighter chooses to take it to the ground and fight that way. But somehow you are immune from blame of playing safe if you just clamp yourself on top of the other fighter for 25 minutes.

    I made a previous post, about the UFC being too brutal. the point of that post that was totally missed, it was that the sport is so dangerous that the fighters are naturally drawn towards looking for loopholes or strategies whereby they can save themselves from damage.

    I.e. a no holds barred fight leads to an unspoken agreement between fighters to safely grapple. Or fighters doing loads of hit and move skirmishing to avoid risking a broken eye socket.

    And we then criticised them from our armchair, that they don't give us the bloodbath we paid for.
     
  15. horst

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    Irrelevant.

    Silva could and should have been more active in those last 2 or 3 rounds.

    There is no excuse whatsoever for running the clock down and trying to minimize contact.

    End of story.