why was vargas ever considered elite?

agreed.

 

in his early stages of his career he was a true force. some see him as an easy opponant...the guy was a BAD BAD MAN. he had dinamite in his fists he was a real warrior and was always exiting..but sadly he was thrown into the deep end and drowned i feel he was elite but was distorted by being put to fire too quickly and he was scorched.

he actaully did rather well against tito though, he was knocked down only 2 times coming into the 12th round and had knocked tito down once.he had lost the first 3 rounds he came back mid rounds and was equal at the 7th then it was very closly contested but tito was landing the better cleaner punches

i had it 4-6 to tito ...thats not alot compared to what he did to other fighters.



sadly he is an old man at 29

 

Cause while he was on steriods he was very powerful, after a while the steriods wore down his skills and strenghts...

 

Pretending again? What the **** do you know about Vargas? :think

****i'n Vargas lost all his big fights and you're comparing him to Cotto? **** . . . you're really a boxing genius.

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Yeah I know nothing about the sports and you're a genius. :rofl

Learn to live by it shithead . . . you'll get humilated anywhere I found you.

Who has Cotto beaten? All the 39 fighters he have met in the ring.

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Yeah I enjoy bitchslapping you. :yep

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Meet up? :rofl Why are losing it?

As I said stop crying and live by it. :yep You have been humilated because of your stupidness.

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At his best hes a very well rounded fighter. He could jab,punch to the body,had a nice lead right hand,power,decent ring generalship,tight defense. Any guy who beats Quartey clearly even at his own game,beats Winky Wright close or not,B level guys like Campas,Joval,Castejllo,Rivera,Marquez and was very competitive with Mosley,Oscar,Tito infact if Tito doesnt assault Vargas balls he might just win that fight the momentum was in Vargas favor.

 

Nah you're calling me out so you can suck my dick. This is what you've been talking about all along . . . sucking dicks.

You don't call out people on cyber boii. :rofl You simply ***** slap them just like what I'm doing to you. :yep

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Yeah that's right I know you love cocks.

Oh that's what you say? You were saying tha'ts when you say when you don't want you ass to be owned remember? :rofl :rofl :rofl

Now you're running away from me like a plague. :yep :good

 

After 14 fights Vargas faces a guy with a record of 72-2! The 2 losses were to Tito and Lopez in title fights. Up to that point Vargas had only faced 3 guys with losing records and he'd stopped every man he'd faced. He was also 21 years old!

Then he rightly has an easy fight, which came about by fluke. Journeyman Howard Clarke pulled the upset over Jason Papillion and found himself challenging for the IBF title on the Lewis-Holyfield I card. It made sense with Clarke being British.

Nevertheless it was another stoppage. He then beat Wright and Quartey. No explanation needed there. Wright arguably won and Quartey looked bad from the lay off but he still left with the W. In fact against Quartey you saw the best Vargas ever. A very impressive performance.

In both his losses he lost it at the last hurdle.

Even when EVERYONE and their mother said he was 'shot' he came back to beat top 10 160 Joval and WBC 154 champ Castijello.

He'd beaten the best and lost valiantly to the best. He stayed elite through out. Much like Judah has but without the iffy record of Judah. If he lost, he rebuilt. Plus he never lost to an average guy like Baldo.

Unfortunately his elite status at 154 was thrown out the window when he lost to his THIRD great BUT naturally smaller opponent.

It wasn't until the end that Vargas lost his elite status. Even then he gave Mosley hell in the first bout but it was in the second bout that Mosley put the elite status to sleep.

In his retirement fight Vargas will look to stamp his legacy by showing the calibre he was always a notch above - the Mayorgas of boxing.

 

you really suck at talkin **** man. you tried really hard and made decent points but you tried way too hard to hurt his feelings.

 

I will tell you why Vargas was considered elite, before the kid fought Tito before he had 20 fights he dominated Quartey beat Campas and also beat Winky Wright along with Raul Marquez a former olympian, and he won a world title at that young of an age that early in his career he was a monster and was doing very well.

 

Wilfred Benitez was elite.

Pipino Cuevas was a long reigning welterweight titlist.

Roberto Duran had seen better days but was still very formidable at the time, and is probably a top 10 fighter all-time.

 

Point made? Where's the point you made? :roll:

I'm asking you to explain how you came up with the idea that Valero who knocks out opponents in the first round will outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds and all you can came up is bullcraps and try to drag the arguement to something else to make an escape. :yep :rofl

:nono Nah nah nah genius . . . that same question will crop up to your face everytime you show up here. :hey

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