why was vargas ever considered elite?

:rofl Im guessing u didnt see Vargas-Quartey Vargas at worst won 8 rounds he did everything better then Quartey.

 

You definitely haven't seen the fight. Vargas won about ten rounds and it's his best performance.

 

Hmm, let's see:

Draw with Wright, win over Quartey....

Yes, a B grade Gatti level fighter.

Also, let's note little things, like how he man handled Castillejo with ease and how Sturm got KOed and struggled with him in the 2nd fight.

 

Vargas beat Quartey fairly. It was competitive but clear.

I had Quartey beating De La Hoya by a point. If you're very generous to Oscar you can score it for him slightly, the official scorecards were dispicable.

And I had Quartey beating Forrest 97-93.

 

Exactly, Dont forget he easily beat Ray Joval when Vargas moving up in weight and hadnt fought in about 16 months. Joval is no world beater but hes a very solid fighter and this is a Vargas who was clearly past his best. I know he lost to Mosley,Trinidad,Oscar no shame there but he was competitve. I along with most people had the fight 6 rounds to 4 for Oscar or 5-5 going into the 11th. Agianst Trinidad I had him at one winning the fight but the low blows got to him and he took a vicious beating at the end still no shame. He was within 3 points or 2 of Mosley in the 1st fight. Any guy who is 2-4 vs Wright,Quartey,Mosley,DLH,Trinidad is dam good in my book. Hes going to smash that bum Mayorga in September mark my words.

 

You make it sound like Wright had 10 pro fights when he met Vargas and Vargas had 50, as far as I know Vargas was green too and he's considered elite for giving an elite fighter in Trinidad one of his toughest fights even though it was TOO early for Vargas at that point. It takes an elite fighter to give another elite a tough fight and Vargas ALWAYS gave his opponents hell whether he won or lost.

 

Winky himself wasn't even green.

He had over 40 pro fights, and had faced world class opposition.

 

Tell that to Awfal.

 

I do think Quartey beat DLH. Can't see how DLH won that but I accept many do.

 

You can score it narrowly for Oscar, but you have to be really generous.

DLH did too little from rounds 7-11, and even in round 6 with both KDs, Quartey took that round since he did the better work following the KDs.

 

ANy so called fan trying to **** on Vargas is clueless. Other than the steroids crap, theres is nothing bad to say about the dude. He fought like a mofo, didnt run like some scared rabbits do. He seeked out the biggest challenges in his prime. He lost some, won some. . . even the ones he lost, he usually put the "winner" through hell. IE - Tito actually broke down and cried at the end of that brutal fight, Vargas put Tito through more than DLH.