why was vargas ever considered elite?

ya he does.... it is EXACTLY the same.

EXACTLY lol... watch the fight and there is NO differance.


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nawfal, im curious... so did my post (below)... does it still not even elude to why people were high on him?


a GREEN winky? LOL!!!!

what did he have... like... 39 pro fights already? had been a pro fighter for like NINE years... was the SAME winky as today...

had his shot at REDEMPTION, ON HBO, against one of the recognised CHAMPS,

while it was like vargas 18th pro fight.... obviously fought down to his opposition as he was 17-0 with 17 knockouts and had previously said he was lacking motivation and wanted ike, oscar, or trinidad.... and

yet he STILL came out with the victory. anybody can say what they want, anyone who thinks that fight was anything but close... eather didnt see it or are biased ****s.

and this was what.. 18th pro fight?

lets see.... lets look around boxing in todays era, and see who fighters are fighting in their 18th pro fights...

so he scrapes by with a win against winky (something jermain taylor, shane mosley, trinidad, and ike couldnt do)

then... in his NEXT fight, his 19th pro bout, he fights and dominates ike quartey....

beats and stops (something jeff lacy didnt do at 16 ross thompson, which is nothing special i admit

and then, with 20 pro fights, he fights felix trinidad. i believe vargas had been a pro at that point for maybe 3 or 4 years.... trinidad i think 10, and i think tito had almost half, if not more then half as many championship fights at feroz had fights PERIOD.

and then... a HOF type battle ensues until the 12th round of the fight. A classic battle.

so lets recap

he fought and beat winky in his 18th fight
he fought and beat ike in his 19th fight
he fought and beat ross in his 20th fight
he fought and lost in a classic batte, and RINGS all time number 1 fight at 154 pounds against trinidad, in his 21st pro fight


let me also add to this, that this was all in a span of

ONE YEAR

and you dont understand why people were high on him?


sorry bud.... i dont understand why someone would even ASK that question.








so nawfal... nothing about this tells you why people were high on him?

you have guys like cotto, judah, miranda, ect, that guys are high on..... for doing... what exactly....

and yet your wondering why people were high on Feroz at the time?

oh... and he was #9 or #10 p4p in the world in 1999...

another thing i guess anyone can do...

 

imo its a loaded question... cuz part of vargas's legacy are his great losses... which you may think is ******ed to think of a fighter like that, but for Gods sakes the guy was demolished in his 20th pro fight by career ender Trinidad. its not like he had a lot of growth past that fight... and you wondered why people were so high on him... when he rattled off wins against campas, marquez, winky, ike, ross and was lined up for tito... all before his 22nd or 23rd birthday (how old are todays real prospects again?) its easy to understand why his resume of wins is not longer.

like i said... imo its a loaded question but i will answer it anyways

1 - winky wright (mosley 2x, trinidad, taylor couldnt beat)
2 - ike quartey (who forrest, nor hoya beat as effectively)
3 - campas (at the time... this was vargas's 16th or so pro fight, again, you cant just go by the book, you have to realise the situation... campas is giving middleweight prospects (duddy) TODAY rough fights, and it took oscar more time and did it in less fashion against a much older campas then vargas did taking his title in his 15th or 16th pro fight)
4 - Marquez
5 - i dont know... guess ill go with castillejo or however you spell his name... he went up to middleweight and stopped sturm after vargas beat him, and no excuses but this is ghost vargas we are talking about, also one that passed out in the sauna to make weight....


so take from it what you will. i guess i cant get past that you dont even understand why people would be high on him. i mean, questioning him as an elite fighter, i guess i can understand... though... when you beat elites like winky, dominate less then elites like quartey, and have epic wars with three greats in mosley, tito and hoya... i dont know how that qualifies you as a anything less then an A fighter in your prime.

anyways... thats about all i got to say really.

 

- motivation, he didnt even know wright, and wanted fights with ike, tito, or hoya.... he said it again in the thompson fight which led to the press conferance brawl.

- family problems... thats why in the beginning of the fight his friend told him dont worry about anything, that they all love him, cuz he was going through family problems and the court thing at the time, it was around the time though i think a little before his legal troubles began as well

- making weight... his diet for that fight was eggs and slim fasts... for the last week or so of the fight to try and make the weight due to lack of proper training.


all you really have to do to see the differance is see the vargas that showed up to fight ike in the very next fight to the one that showed up to fight winky