why was vargas ever considered elite?

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  1. buzzsaw

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  2. kirk

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    ok...

    well... lets use your analogy on other fighters too

    Trinidad lost to the best fighters he ever fought (winky and hops)
    Hoya lost to the best fighters he ever fought (hops, mosley) AND had A LOT of REAL close fights with others (whitaker, ike, sturm)
    Mosley lost to two of the best fighters he ever fought (forrest, winky)

    i mean, you can use that reasoning for just about anybody... fact is... he fought 5 awsome fighters. winky, ike, hoya, mosley, and trinidad.... he went 2-3 with them, personally, i throw out the mosley fights cuz to me, they dont mean ****, just like if he loses however many fights from here on out, to me it dont mean ****. its not the vargas we are talking about here... but throw him in anyways cuz reality is he lost agianst mosley... so he beat 2 of the 5 of the best fighters he fought...

    in that same pool

    Winky lost to vargas, beat tito, mosley, ike 3-1
    Hoya lost to tito, mosley, and beat vargas, and ike.. forget the controversy lets just go with reality, he beat ike in the history books, he is 2-2 in this pool of fighters

    mosley lost to winky, beat hoya, vargas, he is 2-1
    vargas beat winky, ike, lost to tito, hoya, mosley, he is 2-3,

    anyway you slice it... there is no way vargas was not on there level.


    if he was NOT on there level... he would have been dispatched of... LIKE FIGHTERS WHO ARE NOT ON THAT LEVEL.

    the fact that their brawls are classic (vargas/winky, vargas/ike, tito/vargas, hoya/vargas, mosley/vargas 1) only proves my point actually, that he IS on that level.

    imo ;)
     
    kirk, Jun 22, 2007
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  3. FelixTrinidad

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    Vargas at the age of 22 was going toe to toe with Felix Trinidad.

    22 year old Canelo is beating up 46 year old Men who look and move like 66.


    Vargas at 22 will hole Canelo
     
    FelixTrinidad, Jul 5, 2012
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  4. #1Rounder

    #1Rounder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You diggin deep in the archives aren't you??
     
    #1Rounder, Jul 5, 2012
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  5. FelixTrinidad

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    Heh. I just searched Fernando Vargas
    and came across this. Didn't look at date. Mah Bad
    :oops:

    But still good topic to have. A new one too.

    Vargas WAS Elite..

    Anyone who think otherwise is filled with hate

    If Tito didn't ruin Vargas

    Vargas could have gone on to have an insane prime :toney:toney

    He will never beat Oscar, but he will have developed into a beast :!:
     
    FelixTrinidad, Jul 5, 2012
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  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    stopped reading at "Im looking at boxrec"
     
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  7. H .

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    same here
     
    H ., Jul 5, 2012
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  8. Shotty73195

    Shotty73195 Active Member Full Member

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    2007 yeaaauuhhh buddy!
     
    Shotty73195, Jul 5, 2012
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  9. Jacquot

    Jacquot Cruiserweight Paper Champ Full Member

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    Vargas was elite. Wasn't for long, but he certainly was one hell of a fighter during his peak.
     
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  10. SHADOW BOX

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    You have to understand that Vargas was sent to the lions too soon. I think that if they would have been patient with his career, he would have done more for himslef.
     
    SHADOW BOX, Jul 5, 2012
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