Why was Wilder hyped so much? He has no names at all on his CV - he shoulnt be raned in top 5

Well Joshua was the one to unify the other belts not Wilder. If you want people to believe that Joshua didn't try to get the fight with Wilder then I don't know what else to tell you. Joshua has a history of trying to unify, Wilder doesn't. So I know which group I'm going to believe.

 

That's not true.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/26300183/wilder-camp-rejects-9-figure-dazn-offer

Here are the two DAZN offers. Neither says anything about both being US fights with Joshua or $100 million for two Joshua fights. The article also includes specifics of the deal Wilder turned down with ESPN at the same time.

(AGAIN, they were TV deals, not fight negotiations.)

And they would've been void within weeks of signing because Joshua LOST. Wilder was offered TWO options by DAZN. Neither option included a scenario of JOSHUA losing before they got around to fighting. (Which he did.)

Joshua was already signed to fight in New York in June before DAZN made any offers to Wilder. Joshua's fate, essentially, was already sealed.

Again, if Wilder signs his deal with DAZN, when does Wilder and Joshua unify? After Covid? After Pulev? After Usyk?

There wasn't going to be any unification in 2019 because Joshua lost. So we got the fights we were going to get ... they just all didn't happen on DAZN.

 

Joshua went on a big roll collecting belts. It was a good strategy. People (like you) still give him the benefit of the doubt, because he did it. But Joshua wasn't asking for three tuneups before he unified with Joseph Parker,

Joshua doesn't have a good track record when it comes to negotiating with Wilder or Fury.

If Wilder would've signed with DAZN in 2019, sat out, and waited for some unification with Joshua to pan out ... he'd have been waiting a long damn time.

Kind of like he's doing now.

Wilder's not the one demanding tuneups, Joshua is. Wilder lost twice recently, too, and in much more brutal fashion than Joshua. Wilder got a new trainer recently, too (and went right back into a third fight with Fury with his new trainer). Wilder didn't fight Jermain Franklin first and go the distance with him.

Hearn is already talking about walking away from the Wilder fight again if they don't get what they want from the Saudis. Meanwhile, Wilder sits. Wilder waits, so they can't accuse him of ducking or making another fight. He's ready to go. But Joshua may want to fight "two more times" this year, first.

Wilder should sign to fight Jermain Franklin, and end him in a round, too, just to **** everyone off. But he won't. Wilder will be someone's mandatory early next year, whoever has the WBC and WBA belts.

 

What an interesting and fresh take.

 

He beat Charlie Zelenoff

 

His stock actually dipped with that video, someone of his vaunted power should have one-shotted a spastic goober like Chucky Z and induced an instant coma.

 

He beat Charlie Zelanoff ... had him cowering on the floor ... and Joshua couldn't intimidate dorky college kids who talked smack to him.

Sort of like Floyd Patterson in the classic feature article "The Loser" by Gay Talese, about the school boys who lifted Floyd's daughter's dress.

"It still seemed to bother him—the effrontery of the boys, the realization that he had somehow failed, the probability that, had those same boys heckled someone in Liston's family, the schoolyard would have been littered with limbs."

 

You keep repeating the same thing. Your timeline of events is what you are choosing to believe. What we saw and we know for a fact is that one HW was trying to unify. That can't be disputed, while the other one was trying his best to avoid unification. We know that because the whole time he had a belt he never tried to unify. That's not even a debate.

Wilder was champ for how long and how many top 5, even legit top 10 guys did he face?

Now he's not champ he's still not fighting anyone with a pulse.

Yet its Joshua who won't face Wilder lol

 

* US Amateur Champion

* National Golden Gloves Champion

* Olympic Bronze Medalist (would've faced Usyk in the semifinals, but Usyk lost in the quartefinals)

* Reigned Five years as WBC Heavyweight Champ (Top 10 all-time among longest individual reigns)

* 10 successful WBC title defenses (Tied for Fifth all-time)

* 10 wins in heavyweight title fights (Tied for Ninth all-time)

* 13 straight heavyweight title fights (Tied for fourth all-time)

* Nearly a 98 percent KO percentage - (I believe this is the HIGHEST KO percentage of any heavyweight champion in history/despite being outweighed by everyone he faced for the last 10 years)

* Stopped everyone he faced as a pro except Fury - who he dropped four times

* Ranked no lower than #3 in the Ring top 10 for NINE STRAIGHT YEARS. (100+ straight months)

There's something to be said for consistency, particularly at heavyweight. He's no slouch.

Deontay Wilder is kind of a big deal.

 

I'm posting facts. If you've read them before, that's because they're facts.

Did you not know Joshua signed to fight Miller in February 2019, before DAZN made Wilder an offer?

Did you not know Joshua lost in 2019 and didn't have belts most of the year?

Are you not aware Joshua is the one wanting more tuneups this year, and Wilder's the one waiting for the fight?

Are you not aware Wilder is the WBC and WBA #1 contender right now?

What am I saying that's confusing to you? What alternate timeline am I on?

 

Who would you rank ahead of him in the top 5? Fury and Usyk have the only decent resumes, he is a former champion who I think deserves to be in the top 5 until someone knocks him off. I'm not saying he's good by any means, he's just less mediocre than the others. Hardly matters though, he's 37 and has very little time left.

 

Your the one that's confused. Negotiations started in March 2018 ffs lol with Wilder. The Miller fight was supposed to happen in June 2019. Wise up lol

 

Banned after less than 55 posts....nice.

 

Good research. Now compare that history with Fury's weak ass resume.

Oh , I forgot...Fury is a born "fighting man". His bouts in his trailer park with other trailer trash are unrecorded.

 

You mean these funny 2018 negotiations, where Hearn says they offered Wilder $3 million, or the ones where they offered him $5 million?

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Within months, DAZN execs were willing to offer Wilder a $40 million TV contract for a possible Joshua fight.

Sounds like Hearn wasn't exactly trying to make anything in 2018.

Regardless, it's plain to see now who really wants it and who is demanding more tuneups.

Nothing happened then. Let's see if it happens now. They can't blame Wilder this time for signing to fight someone else, that's for sure. He's out there, waiting.

The other side is the one squirming, needing more time. Needing more fights. Needing more work with the trainer. Needing this. Needing that.

Sure is a lot of hand-wringing going on over a fighter like Wilder, who, according to Hearn, isn't very good and hasn't beaten anyone.

Why do you need three or four tuneups to prepare to fight someone who shouldn't be ranked, shouldn't be favored, was never good and never beat anyone?

It's almost like people don't really believe Wilder is as bad as they've been saying he is.