Why was Willie Pep greater/better then Saddler?

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    ??????
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very, very fair question. I look forwards to reading some answers. For my part i'll just say that i don't think he was better.

    DMT, or anyone else, how do you think the two would fare against each other under 2010 rules?
     
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    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    nos sure but Sandy would probably get disqualified when either trying to grab Pep's arms or when trying to choke him.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Haha, yeah, sort of assuming they were following the rules. I have a pet theory that Pep would thrash Saddler under a modern ruleset. Not that it impacts this thread at all, just thought i'd mention it.
     
  5. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe Pep was a more consistent performer with a more impressive title reign. Saddler struggled/lost to a lot of people that were beaten by Pep.

    Pep won UD over Paddy DaMarco, Saddler went 1-2 against him.
    Pep KO'd Charley Riley, Saddler struggled to win a majority decision against him.
    Pep beat Armand Savoie, Saddler was DQ'd against him.
    Pep KO'd Humberto Sierra, Saddler was knocked down and lost a decision against him.
    Pep KO'd Jock Leslie, Saddler was KO'd against him. Thought to be fair it was only Saddler's second professional fight...

    Then again you could probably find some examples of Saddler doing easier against opposition that Pep may have struggled with. But keep in mind that Pep was already one of the top fighters of the day in 1942 when Saddler had yet to even start his professional career.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Pep was far more consistent on the whole, had a much more appeasing styles, and was past his prime when Saddler fouled him out of 3 fights. He'd have always given him major trouble, but I tend to think their series may've been reversed had Pep been in his prime throughout the duration. He was winning both the third and fourth fights before being injured and/or calling it in against Saddler, and won the second fight handily by most accounts.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is all true, In fact I thought Riley beat Saddler. I think Sandy was a tough rugged guy but Willie was the much better fighter
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The case for Pep would be:

    Depth of resume.

    Consistency vs common oponents.

    Mitigating circumstances for his losses to Sadler.
     
  10. Sweet Pea

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    Fa sho, fa sho.

    I love being wasted and posting on ESB.
     
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    I love it when you are wasted too, I always get a lovely compliment.
     
  12. PetethePrince

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    Pep fought Saddler post plane crash. He was lucky he was able to box, let alone walk.
     
  13. Bummy Davis

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    Pep was amazing
     
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    Indeed
     
  15. Sister Sledge

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    Power doesn't always make you better. Pep was a more complete fighter, plain and simple.