Why wasn't Valuev a dominant champion?

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    You survived?
     
  2. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frankenstein !!!!
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Simple. He never fought the best men and couldn’t beat or look decisively victorious against the ones he did..
     
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  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This man pre
    This man presents an interesting dilemna.
    Sure he was neither very skilled nor very powerful.
    But he was 50-2. Held a world HW title twice & defended it a bunch of times.
    He also beat some very good fighters after all the novices & tomato cans (that most everyone goes through).

    So even if his sicces was overwhelmingly due to his size...
    If we want to rank how good he was in winning-as opposed to his skills overall-he was at least a World Class, top fighter.
    Though it is a case where it is due almost entirely to his size...
    Still whatever reason he legally can win defines how good he is overall.
     
  6. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    He makes Wilder look like an ATG and lost to Donald,old Holyfield and Ruiz×2.
     
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  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This War01 guy must be a major troll, lol.

    As others have said,

    Valuev was slow, had trouble putting his punches together, did not have a good defense.

    He did beat a shot Holyfield, but would have a lot of trouble with the likes of Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, etc. when they were prime.
     
  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    to be fair, he did get the decision in all those fight.

    But, yeah, he wasn't very good.

    Ruiz was overrated, Holyfield was shot, and Donald was way past prime.
     
  9. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    Those were gift decisions.
     
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  10. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always felt he edged Holy and Haye, am I crazy? I'm going to watch V Ruiz 1 now. He looked terrible, slow etc but he still was hard to outscore.
     
  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    No no.
    John L Sullivan's got something for him. Remember the bigger they come the harder they fall? Sullivan coined that phrase.
    I also have Luther McCarty eeking out a technical draw.
     
  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Valuev's heart wasn't in boxing. It was just a paycheck. The guys happier as a children's TV host.

    If he'd actually had a mean streak, he could've done some serious damage.
     
  13. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    A
    Actually Barbados Joe coined that phrase.
     
  14. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Like you can talk Ant.
     
  15. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    They call it the "Crippler" for a reason.
     
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