Why were "small" men able to dominate the HW division?

Janitor what changed is more larger guys, due to nutrition, weight training & PEDs.
And it becomes more challenging for LHWs to move up when they are not naturally that big, due to frame & hormonal factors.

Somebody just said most HWs of one era likely used.
Without any decent evidence either way why assume we KNOW whether it is 10%, 1/3, 50%, or 80% who even dabbled?

Holyfield being dehuydrated means nothing re: whether he used. Bodybuilders juiced to the gills often are dehydrated at & after competitions. Great exertions & not taking enough fluids could due it. Taking certain substances-& a liot of protein-necessitate more water.

If it was JUST that Holyfield seemed to reach ~ his natural limit that would not be enough to assume he used. But I already posted the info from his wikipedia page, review it in the steroids section, it is very damning.

 

1. I don't wanna repeat myself
You don't know the objectivity in Holyfield's case at all.
He's the only man who beat Bowe.Obviously he could fight
Bowe.

Holyfield is the first man who could knock down Bowe when Evander wasn't healthy at all .This proves he was competitive- considering
before the 8. round 66-65 was for Holyfield By 3 judges.

You don't understand the H2H logic. H2H = prime fighters'
fantasy fights.
Before the Holyfield-Lewis, Lewis had only one tough fight(the
fat Mercer)
Some tough Holyfield's fights before the Lewis-Holyfield:
Quawi I and II,Foreman,Holmes,Cooper,Bowe 3times,Moorer I,Mercer,
Tyson 2 times.
This list proves Holyfield wasn't in prime against the prime Lewis.
Your Lewis example doesn't work at all.Holyfield's Lewis loss is
nothing to do with his prime.
The 205 pounds was too skinny for Holyfield this is the reason
why he bulked his body.

2.You use lots of excuses and lie.

Sanders-W. Klitschko doesn't count by your excuse.
(I don't know your "big fighter" definition.Who's big by your mind?)

- Holyfield-Douglas doesn't count by your excuse.(Douglas was fat.Remember ! C. Sanders was very fat against Wladimir Klitschko.Just saying by your opinion wladimir's Sanders loss is bigger shame because Sanders was out of shape.This proves wladimir Klitschko is absolute talentless against the "big" good fighters .)
Obviuosly Holyfield did better H2H against the "big" fighters.

- Unfortunately the Sanders-W. Klitschko fight is important.
considering Vitali Klitschko destroyed Sanders after wladimir's
pathetic loss by a 37 years old fat bum Sanders who never
beat only one decent fighter before and after wladimir.
(Every decent opponent could beat Sanders.)
Of course wladimir has lots of win.Unfortunately this means
nothing because Butterbean also has so many wins.Just we can
see a big problem: against bums.
Wladimirs's situation is similar. I don't know only one remarkable
win by him.Just Butterbean isn't champion and this is the
only one difference between wladimir and Esch.
- Wladimir's size? I can't respect a fighter because he's 6'6" tall.
Some Tyson's opponets were 6'6" Jaco and Richardson.
Tyson destroyed them in the first round.
Or Ribalta who's 6'6" (I don't know who wrote he's 6'5"
in the BoxRec.He must be an idiota.)
Tyson used Ribalta like a punchin' bag.
By your opinion Ribalta,Jaco and Richardson are ATGs because
they are 6'6" and they had skill.
Every man who has a little skill and 6'6" is a H2H beast by
your idea.
- What wladimir's skill ? The holding? Akinwande or Jame Smith
did this better.
Lumbering footwork? Valuev did this better.
Coward fighting style? Haye can do this better.

- Your mania: Holyfield vs Bowe/Lewis 1-4,You can't accept
the fact Lewis has only one Holyfield win.
The result of the first Lewis-Holyfield fight is official, that's all .

 

I agree. Haye cannot be 6'3" but he is over 6'. I think everybody lies about their height. Anything over 6 foot gets rounded up as,6'3" and anything over 6'3" gets rounded up as 6'5".

Evander Holyfeild was less than 6'3" too. But also over 6 foot because he was plenty taller than Tyson. He was too much shorter than,Holmes and Foreman to be 6'3".

 

Usyk is listed as 6'3 but in AIBA he was shorter then Medzidov who is listed as 6'3 by 1.5-2inches(Medz was shorter then AJ 6'5-6'6) so you make a good point there.

 

Boxers heights are definitely tweaked a bit at times. I once walked right past Peter McNeely who was reporting to his probation officer in a trial court center where I worked and he came up to my ear...and he was looking down at Tyson when they fought. I'm only about 6'2" in shoes so what does that make Tyson? As for all this bulking up and SHW talk, Throw a prime Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes and of course Muhammed Ali into today's HW picture and todays "giants" would be running for cover.

 

Both were generally taller or heavier than nearly all their opponents. So no

Hyperbole sells fights. Jeffries was a certainly very strong man, stronger than all of his contemperies.

Joe Louis was taller and had a wider reach than all prior champions bar Carnera, Willard and Baer

Again Ali is taller and rangier than all prior champions bar Willard and Carnera. Trammel and Hoff weren't genuine contenders either.

He's 1 inch shorter than Bowe with a slightly shorter reach, it depends where you draw the boundary. And no Cooper and Banks weren't that close to winning but bigger frames have greater durability generally

Lennox and Bowe combined explosive power, balance, technique and skill that the likes of Bugner and Carnera can't dream of.

Umm no Lennox won pretty easily knocking Tucker down twice, I suggest watching the fight. Going the distance doesn't mean that you're 'nearly as good'.

They are great athletes with great conditioning but much of their gameplan involves out reaching their opponents.

They don't they try to lose bodyfat because they are really really fat.

No such thing as natural size, if you gain muscle you're bigger. Bulking up isn't new either, Jack Johnson, Jeanette, Floyd Patterson all bulked up.

Everything's important but speed and desire won't make Manny Pacquaio beat a Klitschko. You obviously believe in size being an issue at some cut off point. Many of the proponents of 'size not being important', tend to not pick ATG middleweights over small HWs for some reason. It's not consistent.

Because they can't, there's a reason for staying at a less lucrative weight class and there's a reason they usually fail when they do move to the more lucrative weight class. Cherry picking a few wins doesn't change that.

 

You do not need to repeat yourself VVMM.
You need to LISTEN to what another says. Otherwise you end up arguing with something you ASSUME they say, not what actually is reality.

Holyfield was competitive with Bowe, won 1 of 3.
No way did he sdeserve even any draw either time with Lewis.

I understand H2H like you know your own name.
You have no cause to bvelieve otherwise.
I never would or did suggest that Holyfield was prime vs. Lewis. Again, you are lazily asuming I believe what the "enemy" or others, might believe-in your head.

Now you again accused me of lying.
My respect for you will be more limited if you cannot even cite any reason you believe I might be LYING.
I have lied nowhere here or on any forum.

Since you cannot suggest anything i likely lied about, time to humbly apologize & regain respect.
It is low conduct to just throw out the worst thing you can think of to say REGRADLESS of the facts.


Now back to Human Decency.
I "count" Sanders & Douglas.
This does not show that Holyfield was better overall against good big men, even in his prime, not by a long shot.
Anyway this was not my point.
But Sanders loss bigger/ Um, sure, that one loss, yes.
Holyfield was great until 30, but had somewhat more upset losses than Wlad throughout his career. Wlad got better later.

You really think Wlad's compettion is similar to Butterbean? Wow.
Wlad fought tons of top prime guys, even though a fairly weak era. It is not remotely comparable.

I did not ask you to respect someone BECAUSE he is tall. Just cited one of his advantages, size, strength, top flight power, good speed, great bab, good other punches, ring smarts...

The fact that you CALL SOMEONE AN IDIOT because you disagree by 1"(!) in his height perfectly exhibits your character problem VVMM. That is mean, childish, petty, & irrational. :nono

Now I should say officially 1/5 vs. Bowe & Lewis.
What do you mean about the latter? he got a loss & a draw against Lewis, so controversial it was investigated. He lost by a lot, the referres were bought off by King...It was a joke.

You really think Wlad's footwork is no better than Valuev?
Holyfield likely deserved the nod against Valuev.
but you pick favorites & are not dedicated to what the truth is.

Stop doing this if you want anyone to take you seriously.
THIS, more than extreme opinions & fractured English, is why few ever engage you.

You must change this anti-social style if you want friends & respect.

Correct me if i am wrong gentleman.

 

Agreed. Tyson, Holyfeild and Haye are shorter than advertised.

 

Holy isn't.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=241945

You just agreed with their officially listed heights in quoting Mac, by the way. :huh

 

Tyson is sometimes advertised as 5'11'. I think this is well documented. Both Haye and Holyfeilfd have been listed as 6'3" when clearly with the naked eye they are not Larry Holmes, Ali or Tim Witherspoon sized heavyweights even height wise.

 

Have we perhaps seen a reduction in the quality of the smaller heavyweights though?

Where are the Dempsey's, Marciano's, and Louis's today?