Why Wilder's costume excuse was fantastically stupid.

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  1. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not defending Wilder's excuse because it was dumb, but what pro do you know that backpacks into the ring?
     
  2. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    You'd think Wilder was forced to wear his Sauron outfit during the fight. Maybe he should give it a go next time, couldn't do much worse imo.
     
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  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's hard to know exactly what effect we're looking at here, why doesn't some boxing reporter get a few tall HWs to wear that weight for 20mins or so, have them do some sparring, and report on what they feel.

    The truth is that although soldiers might carry up to that in certain circumstances (though I doubt old warriors wore more than 20lbs or so in a fight) it doesn't mean that they're not going to suffer from some fatigue by doing so.

    Putting the machismo aside, for the average male, walking around with 40lbs is going to take a toll after a while and if you then have to suddenly play high level sport, not just march along, I think you'd notice the effect. It's also true that Wilder is much bigger than the average guy, though, so that's why I suggest people do an experiment.

    Whether or not it had a physical impact on Wilder, the main reason it's not a genuine excuse is that intelligence is also a component of fighting/competition and so if he's so stupid as to risk impairing himself physically, even by a small percentage, then Fury deserves to get an advantage.
     
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  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    A lot of the excuses I have yet to see come from Wilder's mouth directly.

    The only thing he did say was things were working against him that night

    If that's true then lets see him do better in the rematch

    I bet Fury walks through him again though
     
  5. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Far more diminutive people have carried around double that weight for hours on end across rough terrain in freezing cold temperatures and then fought a full blooded, life and death battle at the end of it. Quick example, the Red Berets and the Gurkhas at Goose Green, Tumbledown and Mt. Harriot.

    Wilder got battered by the far better fighter on the night. Deep down, even you know this, its Beoncey Wilder who has the problem.
     
  6. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you like 'Boxing' so much, how is it you're such a huge fan of Wilder? The man's boxing fundamentals belong in a white collar, charity boxing match in some dodgy, grimy old working mens club.
     
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  7. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    costume probably drained him a small bit, I doubt it was significant. Maybe got him extra hot and uncomfy while he was also stressing for his 2nd biggest fight ever, a rematch of a fight that many claimed he lost,,,,

    either way, total FOOL for wearing it for such a occasion with no focus on if it maybe a little uncomfortable to have on before a FIGHT!!!

    regardless, no way did it effect him significantly imo, I thought he looked pretty good up until he got clipped in the 3rd,,,he whistled a few long range right hands by Furys head that were very fast and powerful, plus he actually hammered Fury fairly hard with at least 2 rights in the first two rounds that Fury took really well and seemed to adapt to well by judging range,,, so the unsteady exhausted legs did not seem to play significantly into the fight prior to the first knock down imo,,,,,

    what I do know was Fury was forcing Wilder to fight off the back foot and Wilder is not elite at that and Fury had the height, jab etc to do a effective job of it, what I do know is once Wilder got dropped he got back up and it instantly became clear that Wilder was "now" not just having a hard time fighting off the back foot but was additionally wobbly, which as boxing fans we all know is a very common thing when somebody gets punched in the head and dropped, what I do know is that Fury then started pressing Wilder onto the backfoot even more all the while PROTECTING himself smartly at the same time. Now with that said if you rewatch the fight again closely Wilder still sends a "few" right handed bombs toward Fury that just miss, as well Fury was very very focused on these dodging them,, thus it wasn't like Wilder lost all his power and couldn't throw bombs anymore, bombs that would still take most top heavys out,, yes most of his punches were thrown off balanced after the knock down but there were a FEW that he set his feet for and let fly. Wilder was still dangerous after the first knock down, still in the fight after the first knock down. Fury had to keep grinding him down for several more rounds. He did this by leaning all over Wilders neck and shoulders with 270lbs!!!!!!! In my opinion 270lbs leaning all over Wilder would have a FAR GREATER effect upon Wilders legs than a 45lb balanced suit had upon his legs. Is that fair to say?

    If I were to take a total guess I would say this, after and or even before the first knock down Fury is leaning over Wilder neck and shoulders a lot!!! Now as soon as this happens I bet Wilder started thinking to himself, "holy crap, this is draining the living crap out of my legs!!' Thus Wilder would of been focused on how tired his legs were getting and as he is a excuse maker and a simple one at that I am sure instead of focusing on the 270lb dude leaning all over him, he created the thought inside him that said, "if I hadn't wore than stupid costume my legs wouldn't be so tired!!!" then BOOM he believes it as he is simple and it no doubt makes sense to him. So know mention of the 270lb Fury leaning all over him having a serious effect on his legs goes right out the window which is seriously funny as hell imo.
     
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  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It absolutely means there is no physical effect. If the Romans could find 500,000 men (about what the regular army was during the height of the empire) who can wear kits of 100 pounds AND MARCH 20 MILES WITH THEM, then a professional athlete should not be bothered carrying 40 pounds for 20 minutes.

    Seriously, do you even know how much 40 pounds is? I have personally worked warehousing where I would routinely lift 70 pounds for hours, and construction jobs where my job was to carry 70-100 pound timbers uphill all day.

    40 pounds is NOTHING AT ALL to an adult man, especially distributed over the body where every muscle can help.

    Don't be a Deontay-dupe.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You keep talking about Roman soldiers. Roman soldiers?

    This isn't about roman soldiers or you lifting a box at work.

    It's not whether people can physically do that. Adults can do it. It's should they doing that IMMEDIATELY BEFORE competing in a world-class sporting event.

    NAME ANY WORLD-CLASS SPORTING EVENT where a guy wore a 40-pound costume to the field, then took it off and immediately competed?

    You can't, because NO ONE does.

    Did Usain Bolt where a 40-pound costume, take it off, and enter the blocks to star his races? No, because IT WOULD IMPACT HIS PERFORMANCE. That's why.

    Wilder was dumb to wear something like that to the ring. He didn't wear a 40-pound costume to the ring when he won all his fights for the last 12 years. And he won't be doing it again.

    You can hate him for many reasons. But don't act like everyone should be wearing 40-pound costumes (or 80 pound costumes as you said yesterday) to the ring .. and rudely insult everyone who disagrees with you ... when this guys legs were all over the place during that fight. And everyone could see it.

    Tyson Fury's is involved with people running an organized crime family who are gunning people down, and the leader of the crime family has been hired by the Saudis to try to make Fury-Joshua ....

    And you clowns are still gossiping about Wilder's costume like a bunch of nancies.

    This isn't a celebrity fashion site, is it? He won't wear it to the third fight. It's over.

    Fury and Arum and that crowd working with mobsters to put together the biggest heavyweight fight in British Boxing history isn't.

    Why does "what Wilder wore" make it to the general forum, but an Irish mob boss putting together Fury-Joshua thread gets moved to the NON-BOXING forum?


    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...e-irish-mafia-is-tyson-fury-mobbed-up.649540/
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Deontay Wilder

    Wins = 42
    Losses = 1
    Draws = 1
    Excuses = 500
    Absolutely pathetic hilarious excuses = 499


    D be like: ''Dayuum! I really wish I'd kept my mouth shut about wearing a 45lb vest during training and criticizing Stiverne for making excuses after our first fight''


    'Wilder faces further embarrassment as quotes from 2017 about former foe Bermaine Stiverne have come to light as he attacked the Haitian for making excuses after their first fight in 2015.'

    “I consider him a sore loser,’ Wilder said about Stiverne ahead of their rematch in late 2017.

    “I tell people all the time before I fight them, I let the fighters know, l let the fans know, don’t make excuses for my wins when I win.

    “They did just that. Everybody’s gonna have an excuse. The thing about it is, nobody wants to hear an excuse once you lose.

    “When you lose, you lose. Deal with it.

    “But if it’s an excuse that actually occurred, keep it to yourself and amongst your team.

    “Go back into the gym and work on that. Because people don’t wanna hear that when you lose.

    “I think that’s the thing with Stiverne – he talked so much, he promised so much and didn’t deliver none of it. And for that reason, he’s bitter.”

    Don't forget that after the first fight when the drug-ravaged muscle atrophied inactive shell of Fury who hadn't fought anyone with a pulse in three years got robbed D had the audacity to claim that Fury was 100% and that he was only 50% :lol:



    'If and when women assume the role of infantry soldier, one of the biggest challenges they may face is the weight on their backs, according to an official at the Veterans Health Administration.

    The average female will have trouble as infantry soldiers must carry a load often weighing more than 80 pounds for many hours at a time over rugged terrain in some cases, said Dr. David Cifu, national director of physical medicine and rehabilitation at the Veterans Health Administration.


    “I’m certain the majority of women doing this won’t be physically able to do it as long as the men. It’s a matter of body size and body mechanics,” Cifu said.'




    D's 5 y/o son: ''Daddy, can you give me a piggyback for 10 minutes please?''

    D: ''Sure son, hop on my back''

    10 minutes later

    D: ''OK son that's enough''

    D aka ''The Baddest Man on The Planet'' keels over due to utter exhaustion
     
  11. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    Well TF carried a lot more excess before during and after their first fight for one.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson Fury refused to fight Wlad if they didn't remove layers of padding under the ring apron because he was sure the softer mat would weaken his legs.

    Wlad Klitschko, who also had trouble with weak legs in his career, first thought the oil they put on his legs made his legs weak. So they fired the guy who put oil on his legs and never put oil on his legs again.

    Then, Wlad thought his cup/bladder protector was too bulky and was too heavy and was draining his legs. So Emanuel Steward cut up and resewed a protector in the gym so it would be smaller and lighter, and Wlad liked it. So they ordered some made and he always wore a very light, lean protector for the rest of his career.

    Steward also recommended more padding in the ring, Wlad liked that.

    How much material did they cut out of the protector? A couple ounces? Would that really drain his legs? It did in HIS MIND. Just like the oil did.

    As he got older, Wlad seemed to have more endurance. Some credited that to Steward and his techniques. (Probably rightfully so.) But Wlad didn't go back to putting oil on his legs and never wore a bigger protector again. To him, those were problems, too.

    Interestingly, when Fury refused to fight unless padding was removed from the ring (and Steward was no longer around), the Klitschko team said okay. Fury was happy. But Wlad fought poorly and lost.

    Did the paddding have anything to do with that? Fury thought so, or he wouldn't fight. And Wlad insisted on the padding, then it was removed, and he lost. And he said Fury was playing mind tricks with him.

    To some fighters, a COUPLE OUNCES matter, oil on the legs matter, an extra layer of pad under the mat matters, to others 40 pound costumes matter.

    To them, it all matters.

    I prefer to watch the fights than "cackle" over who wore what for months on end.
     
  13. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Imagine, if Fury had done exactly the same - worn a slightly heavy suit to the ring and lost - and then made the same excuse? Do we think DribbleChin would be writing pages and pages in his defence too? Or rightly laughing at him?
     
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  14. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Dude, you’re not just a clown, you’re the entire circus.
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury wouldn't fight Wlad unless they removed a layer of padding under the ring.

    He said it would weaken his legs.

    LOL

    Did you forget that?