Why Wlad Will Lose in '08

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  1. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First of all, I do acknowledge Wlad as the singular heavyweight champion and the best in the division. But, I think he's taking on some tough challenges this year that could be the beginning of his downfall: Ibragimov and Povetkin.

    Both of these guys have the tools to knock off das Steelhammer. Let's look at the scenarios:

    vs. Ibragimov:

    Despite popular opinion on this board, the fight with SI is not a gimme.

    Sultan is live in this one IF, and that's a solid IF, his trainer Jeff Mayweather is smart enough to adapt Sultan back to his pre-Briggs form. That is to say, he must be aggressive.

    It's no secret that Wlad's strength is his piston jab followed by the right hand behind it. To negate this, Sultan will have to go back his aggressive swarming style, maybe even taking some punches on the way in, which he's done in the past. If Ibragimov can apply pressure the way he did against the taller fighter Mount Whitaker, Wlad could have problems.

    Sultan cannot sit on the outside and think he'll outbox Wlad like he did vs. Briggs and Holyfield. Southpaw pressure is the name of this game (see, Corrie Sanders), and Sultan must have the guts to walk into the danger zone to win this.

    He's proven himself a tough guy with a good chin, so if the old Sultan shows up, it's not a walkover night for Wlad.

    vs. Povetkin

    Let's say Wlad gets past Sultan and steps in with Povetkin later this year. In my view Povetkin has a great chance to knock him off.

    Consider that Wlad likes a boxer to stay on the outside where he can use his range. Povetkin won't do that. He'll be moving side-to-side from the hip, stepping in under Wlad's jab and throwing punches from all angles. Povetkin's style is more versatile than Wlad's stand-up European style.

    I think it will be difficult to keep Povetkin on the end of his punches where he wants him because of Povetkin's strength and ability to close distance. Wlad doesn't like to be pressured and this is what Povetkin does best.

    I've read arguments on this board that Povetkin's performance against Chambers indicates he has no chance against Wlad. It's true that Povetkin did eat right hands early from Chambers, but my thinking is that Chambers has some of the fastest hands since a prime Chris Byrd, thus there is no shame in getting caught with some counters.

    Povetkin's conditioning is also called into question. He did seem to fade a bit and it looked like Chambers could have gotten him out of there if he'd tried late, but he did also throw in excess of 900 punches--a very high number. His ring conditioning, already good, can be improved before a possible Klitschko fight.

    Povetkin definitely has the style to give Wlad problems and either stop him late or take a decision based on his high punch activity and aggression.

    So, I call the upset and say that this will be the year when either the Dagestani or Russian fighter will break through and topple the big Ukrainian champion.
     
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  2. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why Wlad COULD lose in '08

    Good points. I still personally think Wlad will win both those fights. I hope he doesn't fight Povtekin after Iggy though. For Pov's sake.
     
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  3. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    vs. Iggy,Povetkin and say maybe Chagaev

    Id say the odds favor him to lose.

    against Iggy and povetkin only

    Id say its even maybe slight edge to wlad
     
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  4. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    vs Iggy

    Come on? Sultan Ibragimov fought to a 12th round Draw against Ray Austin, contoversial or not, i don't care. Wlad Klitshcko stopped him in two rounds using one hand.

    Alexander Povetkin might stand a small chance, but with his lack of defence, his chin would have to be superhuman + he does not have enough power to back Klitshcko up. Even with Povetkins workrate, stamina, he is just too open. Chambers stunned him in the 8th, but he ofcourse hits much harder than Wlad.
     
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  5. TFFP

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    I don't see him losing either of those fights in 08

    Povetkin has the tools, but he isn't ready. Those right hands he took drained my hope, he won't survive against Wlad
     
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  6. kirk

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    huh... interesting... youve made me a bit wary of the upcoming fights... thanks jerk! lol!! j/k man.. good points.
     
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  7. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yup...that's pretty much it.

    The pre-Briggs Sultan went life-and-death with Austin, and he's meant to be the better version? I don't think so.

    If Sultan's gonna beat Wlad, it's going to have to be all about his southpaw stance.
     
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  8. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    Under Stewards tutelage, Wlad is unstoppable.
     
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  9. Lampley

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    You never know, but to me Wladimir is the heavy favorite in both of those fights.

    Neither guy has the strentch or cracking power to make WK defensive, which is the No. 1 key to beating him. He is entirely capable of fighting at any range (using his American-bred holding tactics), provided he doesn't perceive a threat from the incoming.

    Ibragimov seems mentally finished to me. I think he's cashing in his chips as Brewster did in their rematch. One more payday, one mid-rounds knockout, and call it a career.

    Povetkin will be more spirited, but with poor defense, average speed and, again, pedestrian power, he'll get taken apart by a big, sharp puncher like Wladimir.

    Sam Peter has the right-hand power to at least offer a credible threat. Elsewhere in this **** poor division, I just don't see much out there.
     
    Lampley, Jan 29, 2008
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  10. DoumB

    DoumB HOYA KO1 PRESSCOT Full Member

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    wlad wouldnt loose to those guys im sorry but they do not pocess the necessary skills to beat wlad.
     
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  11. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Two very solid challenges... but I don't think that they have the tools to beat Wlad. It will just be two more top undefeated fighters that Wlad has knocked off.
     
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  12. kirk

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    you know widdow... i remember when you made a thread about how tough brewster was gonna be for wlad or something like that.. and everyone calling you crazy and just trying to hype up a wlad opponent.. lol.

    dont know why that popped into my mind but i still find it funny....
     
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  13. DoumB

    DoumB HOYA KO1 PRESSCOT Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  14. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Wlad will beat Ibragimov, but the Ray Austin references are getting tired. First of all, you don't judge a guy on one fight and secondly, styles make fights. Just because SI looked bad against Austin and Klitschko destroyed him, that doesn't automatically mean anything. Ibragimov will be the underdog, but he has a shot.
     
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  15. Thread Stealer

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    wlad's chin and stamina are always a question mark....however I see him entering 2009 with the same # of Ls and he had as of May 2004.
     
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