Why won't the WBC make Wilder/Whyte?

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  1. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He also can’t understand that there’s a three headed monster in the division in Joshua/Fury/Wilder, and Whyte is just some other HW contender in the big picture.

    I’m going on record right now, if a decisive winner comes out in Wilder/Fury II, they’ll be the legitimate champ and the man to beat in the division.
     
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  2. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    His personal feelings are not a factor in this at all. When a business agrees on a merger, a new strategy, a sale, personal feelings rarely come in to play. This is business, nobody at Matchroom or PBC care about what schoolyard feelings are exchanged between Whyte and Wilder unless it is big news and revenue generating. They don't care about Wilder, his feelings, or anything else outside of what generates his worth to them. Things like shaming people for ducking is what internet forums are for, not promotional outfits operating a business.
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would expect Wilder to have a far greater resume as a world champ with many defences and many more fights but I dont see it as much greater if at all. I think it is very debatable
    Sure Whyte got knocked out. He was facing undefeated Joshua in his 17th fight. Who knows how Wilder would have done in such a big time in his 17th fight, or is he would have been knocked out or won. We wont know. What we do know is in Wilders 17th fight he was facing a fighter with 15 losses coming off 2 losses and who we know has fought as a CW.
    I really cant see why the Ortiz fight is rated so highly but am not knocking it at all. I think Whytes fight with Brown could be viewed as greater and Browne had a greater singular win than any Ortiz has had imo
     
  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I cant take you seriously, because if Whyte became full WBC champ and Wilder effed off to Franchise you STILL wouldnt count Whyte as part of the "big picture"

    And Whyte cant be blamed if Wilder aint giving him a title shot as easily as Wilder has given the weakest fighter in the division (fury) two title shots.

    Thats hardly Whytes fault... Whyte put up 9 million... there is little else that can be done to convince a chicken legged twat to fight him
     
  5. bailey

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    Why will they be the legitimate champ? Do you feel it is because both have an 0 even though many feel Fury clearly beat Wilder, or because Joshua has a loss?

    I just looked at the Ring ratings and Joshua has beaten 4 of the other 9 fighters on the list and was scheduled to face another only for that fighter to have to pull out

    Joshua 4 others
    Wilder 1 other
    Fury 0 others but many (myself included) felt he beat Wilder
    Whyte 1 other
     
  6. theanatolian

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    Wilder just told WBC to go **** themselves with the franchise ****, in fact he was the first WBC champ to do so. And I can give the chicken legged twat a pass for not fighting Whyte FOR NOW, since he’s fighting a far superior HW in Fury. You know, the guy who toyed with Chisora who arguably beat Whyte a few years back.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    Yes, because of American favoritism. Certainly.

    I'm sure Oscar De La Hoya (the owner of RING) would prefer that the fighter who left him for Oscar's former business partners who Oscar despises (Al Haymon/Richard Schaefer) ... and the AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE heavyweight handled by Oscar's former promoter who Oscar despises (Bob Arum) are the top rated heavyweights in his magazinee.

    No doubt a directive from the very top of Golden Boy.

    Because, you know, it's easier to get a photo if the champ is in the U.S. Considering how difficult it is to take photos and share them. (What?)

    It couldn't be that Joshua was dropped four times and quit against Andy Ruiz five months ago or anything, and everyone with a brain and working eyes knows he isn't the best heavyweight in the world right now.

    No. American favoritism, I tell you!! Speculation, of course. But it's GOT to be that.

    Brilliant stuff.

    This board may be on meltdown.

    On that note, I'm out.
     
  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Look at the wonderful love and support from Whyte fans even on the Whyte vs Wach video

    They appreciate and understand Whyte is not at his best, and they give him a pass.

    If this was Wilder... they would be hating on him 24/7

    Not my favouritism of Whyte... there are millions of us Whyte fans,


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  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Oh well thats nice of you, to give Wilder a pass now... for ducking Whyte... guess the past 750 days... we're just going to conveniently ignore... whytes calling out to Wilder... on international...live TV with 20,000 witness in the O2 arena.....
     
  10. bailey

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    Yet it is debatable if Wilder has beaten anyone as good as Ruiz, or Parker, or Whyte, or Povetkin, or Wladimir
     
  11. theanatolian

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    So you’re referring to Ring ratings to make a case for Joshua having the best resume, yet you think they’re being biased for having Wilder and Fury at #1 and 2? :lol:

    Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. If you’re taking the Ring’s word for Joshua having wins over 4 top10 HWs, then you also have to take their word for having Wilder and Fury at #1 and #2 and them crowning a new legitimate champion when they fight.

    And I couldn’t care less for the “O” on the record. Joshua went 1-1 with a guy who wasn’t in anyone’s top10 last year(certainly not in the Ring’s). That’s why I think he’s rightly the #3 HW at the moment.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Larry Holmes didn't beat Thomas, Tubbs, Dokes, Page and every other clown who held a belt for one defense and lost it again, either.

    Wilder and Fury (who beat Wlad) are the top two heavyweights. They're fighting to settle matters as to who is #1.

    And I'm sure Ring will be able to get plenty of photos, via carrier pigeon.

    Gotta go.
     
  13. theanatolian

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    Yeah, I can give him a pass, when he’s fighting a FAR SUPERIOR HW to Whyte in Fury. Say, if he beats Fury and then he avoids Whyte to face Kownacki, then no, I won’t give him a pass.

    And no, Whyte hasn’t been the mandatory for 750 days. He’s been the #1 contender for 2 years but turned down 2 final eliminators against Ortiz to fight Parker and Chisora. He wasn’t officially the mandatory until he beat Rivas.
     
  14. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Actually the WBC interim isnt a mandatory, it is actual championship status as dictacted by the WBC regulations

    And he never got offered to fight a final eliminator... Ortiz has a second mando not a primary... Breazeale had the primary... and Whyte had scheduled a bout with Breazeale when all of a sudden Wilder yanks Breazeale away for a titleshot... when he made breazeale wait for well over a year.

    So Ortiz never fought any mandos... and Fury wasnt even in the rankings whatsoever... and got two shots...

    Fury wasnt even in the picture... when Whyte was calling out Wilder for well over a year... so dont try lying saying Wilder ducked Whyte for Fury... FURY WAS NEVER IN THE PICTURE AT THAT TIME.
     
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  15. theanatolian

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    Ortiz was a voluntary defence, It has nothing to do with the mandatory situation. Breazeale was made mandatory over Whyte because he was with Haymon, which wasn’t right, I’ll give you that. But after that, Whyte and Ortiz were ordered to face to determine the next mandatory,(https://www.fightsports.tv/wbc-orders-dillian-whyte-luis-ortiz-eliminator/) which Whyte refused and had the Chisora rematch instead.

    And Fury is the man who dethroned Wlad. He was always relevant, always more so than Whyte and he did get a ranking after his tune ups which was normal as he’s the former unified&lineal HW champion. Him and Wilder were in the discussions to face each other a year before they actually fought.