Why would any Heavyweight top 15 contender fight against another contender...

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  1. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Active Member Full Member

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    When they can just wait for Fury, Wilder or Joshua to cherry pick them and give them a big payout?

    The top trio are the ones who are causing the current ducking landscape, because they won't fight eachother and therefore are running out of contenders to fight. So if you have a decent ranking and record you can just sit tight and wait for Hearn or Arum or Haymon to come knocking
     
  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    its a bum carousel. everybody gets a title shot... twice.
     
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  3. Max Thunder

    Max Thunder Useless Dosser Full Member

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    Gotta put some respect on a legit top-tenner Oscar Rivas who's willing to go to enemy soil as a big underdog against a dangerous, hard-hitting and much bigger Dillian Whyte.

    Rivas will genuinely fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. Warrior.
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Unless they're actually very good, dangerous or don't have the "right" style, because then it's unlikely they will be picked as a voluntary.

    Then they have to make their way to a mandatory the hard way
     
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  5. Bondy365

    Bondy365 New Member Full Member

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    Think Whyte's also shown this to be the case. He has been in a position for the last 18 month or so where he could cash out with a large payday in an all British fight against Joshua and retire with his millions, yet continues to fight top 15 - 20 fighters to stay active until he can fight as the mandatory challenger without bowing to AJs rematch demands.

    I get the impression that Dillian genuinely wants to win the world title rather than just waiting for his big cash out pay day against 1 of the big 3 names in the division. I also think he has slightly more than a punchers chance against each of the 3 big names due to his improved general boxing skill, granite chin and he carries decent power too.

    While this is a tough fight for Rivas, I do think he would struggle to get the AJ or Wilder payday and shot at the title without taking a fight like this, due to his relatively unknown status outside the boxing hardcore by comparison to the threat he would pose.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge MUH RUSSIA, NOVICHOK, MELDONIUM, DOE Staff Member

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    The Gypsy King fought Wlad in Germany and Donkey in the USA and he never ducked CW Level like AJ and Donkey are and neither of those CW Level ducking frauds have ever fought a live body outside of their respective homelands whereas The Gypsy King fought two reigning champions on their turf, granted Bum Squad is garbage but that's balanced out by The Gypsy King being 40% at best and not having fought anyone with a pulse in 3 years after going on the mother of all drug and alcohol binges during his 2.5 years of inactivity. To be fair, AJ is fighting Michael ''The Bounty'' Hunter's son Andy Ruiz Jr. in the US very soon but he shamelessly ducked both Hunter and his day of reckoning with CW Level for that date and I've subsequently lost any respect I had for him.

    The Gypsy King jumped at the chance to step up to CW Level against USS Cunningham and not only that but he did it on enemy turf again too where everything was stacked against him. Well, AJ could've killed two birds with one stone just like The Gypsy King did by accepting the Michael ''The Bounty'' Hunter challenge for his step up to CW Level for US debut but Robo Squad bottled it.

    As for Donkey, well the only time he dared venture outside of the protective sanctuary of his homeland was when he fought the shadow of the shot ghost of a 42 y/o Audley Harrison over here and a couple of zero threat tomato cans in Cancun Mexico and you won't even hear him breathe a CW's name, let alone step up to CW Level.
     
  7. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dillian Whyte is willing to face other contenders to his credit. Rivas will be his third top-15 opponent in the last 12 months.
     
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  8. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    No one's going to run out of anyone to fight the division is to stacked.

    What's going to happen is Fury and Wilder will be asked why they are fighting mismatches or guys who Joshua defeated already if those guys don't actually step up to Joshua .

    Joshua himself has years of opponents current going to be at top so he's not worried.

    Are the contenders actually avoiding each other ?

    Don't know how that can be when we're getting Gorman vs DDD

    Parker vs Whyte
    Hunter vs Bakole
    Kownacki vs Martin
    Pulev vs H. Fury
    Rivas vs Jennings
    Whyte vs Rivas ( scheduled )
    Usyk vs Takam ( scheduled)

    These fights have relatively happened recently or will.

    Some aren't great match ups but most were hardly boring , the division also has Joyve, Hrgovic and Ajagba. These guys are within to fighting those top 10 guys sooner then later.

    There's a few guys that keep avoiding much better fights but that doesn't mean no one's fighting each other.
     
  9. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    Yeah, unfortunately we look like we are backsliding into the Klitschko era in that respect. For a couple of years we saw an uptick in top 15 HW's fighting each other. This year it has really dropped off, and the Big Three's actions in rewarding less proven HW's like Dom B, Andy Ruiz, and especially Schwartz just make this likely to get even worse.

    The lack of top contenders facing each other was the worst thing about the K era, and its rapidly becoming a bad thing in this era as well, adding onto the fact that the Big 3 are unlikely to face each other this year either.
     
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  10. Jamzy ⭐

    Jamzy ⭐ Active Member Full Member

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    To be fair to Joshua he did try to fight Ortiz after the Miller fight fell through, a pity Ortiz ducked that.
     
  11. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    Whyte is the one top contender consistently taking on top opposition, credit to him. But the rest of that list isn't very deep. Hughie Fury has yet to beat a top 25 HW, so its not really clear how good he is. Couple of the other fighters are sub top 15 in my book, one sub top 30. and 7 fights in a year span featuring top 20ish HW's facing each other really pales in comparison to any pre 2000 era.
     
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    andrewa1 Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    Fair enough. Wherever the fault lies, good fights just aren't happening with the regularity they did in earlier eras.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Same can be said of Whyte
     
  14. Jamzy ⭐

    Jamzy ⭐ Active Member Full Member

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    It's funny because apart from maybe Fury, the remainder of the ''big three'' Joshua and Wilder have both ducked each other at certain points.

    Around 2016/17- Wilder wanted the Joshua fight, Hearn instead offered Wilder the Dillan Whyte fight. Wilder said he would fight Whyte if Hearn could guarantee him the AJ fight inside of the contract, Hearn verbally agreed but he never did guarantee that inside the contract.

    Also around that time Joshua and Hearn's plan was to fight Wlad in a rematch and then take on both mandatories (Pulev and Ortiz) and then to eventually fight Wilder. Wlad retired, Joshua took on Pulev (who was replaced by Takam) and Wilder even helped out by finishing off Joshua's other mandatory Luis Ortiz. That fight still never happened.

    2019: Wilder turns down the 100 million offer.

    All rather bizarre as Wilder and Joshua both ducked each other.
     
  15. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    H. Fury was ranked in top 10 when that fight happened.

    The guys I listed are top 10 guys , fighters like Tak am and Chisor a are fringe ones.

    Whyte has not fought anyone as tough as Kownacki besides Parker in non title fights , so how is Parker not too 10 all of a sudden?

    The only actual top guys not fighting other top 10 are Ortiz and Fury at the moment, but Fury just fought Wilder so , no my post stands.

    The other guys I have have not even hit 10 fights yet , so they haven't had time to avoid anyone .

    There's a lot more fighters now , and most eras don't have 3 undefeated top HWs that have multiple title defenses and so called lineal titles?

    The actual fan is getting spoiled actually bc they think this is the norm when if were going to attack an era I will always bring up the Lewis one where he never fought Bowe , the top 2 guys in a brief moment, coupled with guy fighting out of their primes with a selective few.

    You guys know im going to do this so I don't get it ? Lol
     
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