why would the p4p#1 and fotd be the underdog against the p4p#2 guy??

Well the consensus is that Pacquiao has been the better fighter from 2000-2009 which is the period when both were at their peaks. The idea that the bar is set higher for Floyd than for Pacquiao is rediculous. Pacquiao has more championships than Floyd and greater victories, not relative to expectations but in absolute terms. These people that vote for the FOTD award are not idiots, they are all members of the BWAA and boxing insiders who actually do know more about the sport than almost everyone else. And by all accounts, it wasn't a close result, Pacquiao took it by a landslide.

If Mayweather had Pacquiao's record, he would be considered the next Sugay Ray Leonard.

You know, Mayweather has claimed to be the best so many times that many people have fallen into it. But the fights don't lie. The fights speak for themselves.

Mayweather is a great fighter, but pound for pound, he is not better than Pacquiao and their careers and resumes are a reflection of that, not the other away around. To explain that in clearer terms : Pacquiao is not better because he has a better resume than Floyd; rather, Pacquiao has a better resume than Floyd because he is better.

That is not a knock on Mayweather, but its just the way things are at this point in time.





As for the thread topic, why do so many people think a WW Tito would knock today's Pacquiao out? Do these people really believe Tito was a better pound for pound fighter than Pacquiao? Of course not. Yet, they are both Welterweights. People picking agaisnt Pacquiao would be quick to point out that he is not a real Welterweight and Tito would have a size and strength advantage. Well the same principle applies in this case.

 

Manny should really be a slight favorite but they make the line to get equal betting on both fighters.
You have to like Manny because Floyd has a very small KO record recently which almost guarantees you 12 rounds for the most vicious offensive fighter of the decade to stop Floyd. Manny has blinding speed and angles. Floyd by making a career of fighting few high powered multi dimensional offensive fighters and choosing to avoid them will prove to be his downfall as it will be his first time in the ring dealing with a non stop assult from every angle. Floyd throws one punch at a time and this will not work against the p4p #1. Manny is the best I have ever seen in moving in and out and his hand speed was much more fustrating to Oscar and Hatton than Mayweather's.
Don't expect Floyd to take the fight if he does bet the farm against him. Offensively we know Manny is much further along and if the fight were to happen you may be shocked to see Manny's every improving defensive skills and speed even better than Floyd's.
That is why he won fighter of the decade and why his opponents after the fight such as Cotto, Oscar etc said he is the best and most special fighter today.

Floyd has to much of an ego to take this fight. there is to much of a chance he will have to deal with what happened in Round 2 vs Mosley and more. I think he will pass and fight less dangerous guys add a few more easy wins and have his fans still believe he is the greatest ever.

 

Which only proves my point. If you have the best players, the expectation for you to compete is already there.

It is like the coach of the Indianapolis Colts. Everyone looks like a genius when you have Payton Manning as your QB. Everyone looks like a genius when you have MJ and Pippin in your team. Or Kobe and Shaq.

What is wrong with that? ATG and P4P have traditionally meant accomplishments and not H2H since it is near impossible to really make a sound judgment if you remove height, weight and reach. It becomes a fruitless discussion. People's style and skill is based on their physical attributes. What happens if you remove the physical aspect of it (height, weight, reach) would they be the same boxer? Of course not. In turn, would they accomplish and beaten the same people? Probably not. It is a fruitless argument. This is why accomplishments is a better barometer. I am not saying to ignore H2H but it can't be the be-all-end-all.

While you can argue that Pacquiao barely beats out Mayweather in regards to accomplishments, I think you would have a harder time arguing Mayweather has a better resume.

Style makes fight and the gambling community and most experts sees that PBF's style is the one to beat Pac. Yes, Pac has the style to make it competitive, yes even beat PBF, but the general consensus is that great slick technical boxers beat out great punchers.

 

Oscar wasn't even in the top20 pound for pound when FLoyd fought him. Pacquiao and Floyd are #1 and #2. The gap is much smaller which is why the size differential is consequential while it wasn't in the case of Floyd vs Oscar.

If Pacquiao moves up to 154 and fights Yuri Foreman, who will be the favorite?

If Pacquiao moves up to 154 and fights Sergio Martinez, who will be the favorite?

Think of your answer, and then think about how Manny is a better pound for pound fighter than both these guys, yet the answers are not the same.

 

It's not about ODLH fighting the same, it's about the tactics Oscar used to make it a tough fight for Floyd, and YES, it was a tough fight...PBF's eye after the fight tells that tale. Now, put Pacquiao, who can use the same tactics Oscar did, only Pac won't gas out...add all that up and get back to me.

 

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"***** in Floyd's armor"...I love how the word "c*inck" automatically gets censored, even when not being used in a racial context...

 

No because of two reasons I stated earlier.

1- They are fighting at Floyd's best weight, but not Pac's. Floyd has a size and weight advantage going into the fight. Some people will argue that its a small advantage, others that its a big one. The fact is that its there.

2- Styles make fights. If Fighter A is better than Fighter B, but style A is perceived as tailor made for style B, then B might still be the favorite in a head to head matchup, but not necessarily because he's considered a better fighter

 

see you start spewing stuff about awards and accomplishemnts resumes...whatever man....i could care less what these fighters win interms of awards and all that other shyt....TALENT SKILL watching what Floyd does in the ring and Pac......Floyd is just better....and like i said thats not a knock on Pac.

 

For the guy saying that Pacquiao and Floyd fight in the same division: you're answering your own question. Pacquiao is fighting 1-2 weight classes above his best weight and performing just as well or better than Floyd is in his most comfortable weight class.