why would the p4p#1 and fotd be the underdog against the p4p#2 guy??

I'm sorry to say but your perception of who has more ability between Pacquiao and Floyd is IMO wrong, and the facts (i.e. performances, resume and accomplishments) do not back you up.

Pacquiao's style like many offensive fighters can be easy to perceive as limited and exposable, but when you start noticing the subtleties of his abilities, you notice that he is alot better than people think. Pacquiao has been underrated since day 1, not just since his move up from SFW.

 

Floydiot Logic: Floyd already ruined Hoya when PAC fought Hoya so the results has not much weight.

 

look man...i have no problem with you feeling Pac is better.....just for me he is not.... not once did i call him limited but exposable he is just like every fighter including Floyd.

And no i dont start including resumes and awards when i consider who is better when comparing their talent and skill and watching how both fight and comming up with who i feel would win.

awards and accomplishments dont win fights so there irrelevant to me when analyzing their fight.

and for the record how is my opinion WRONG because i dont agree Pac is better u may not agree but wrong its not.

 

:good you're entitled to your opinion. I judge fighters on ability as well.

For example, I consider Ward a top5 p4p fighter, even though his resume and accomplishments don't suggest it. But if Ward goes out and loses to Dirrell and then loses in the semis of the S6, I will admit that I was wrong, because those results will be the product of his ability, which I will be forced to admit that I overrated.

 

definitely....if Pac proves me wrong....in beating Floyd....i would have, for me, grossly underated him and maybe even overrated Floyd but as of right now just watching how they fight and the things they do....for me...Floyd is the more complete of the two and more versatile of the two....he just has a lot more at his disposal than Pac imo.

 

Excellent post. I think you did a good job of summing everything up. Mayweather is too good for his own good, and it ends up hurting his recognition .

Luke...you have multiple personality. Some days you make respectable posts, and other days you come off like a complete irrational, floyd hating moron. Today is one of those days.

 

I'm going to tell you guys right now, size is not the reason Mayweather is the favorite. That's not even a factor. Cotto is arguably bigger than Mayweather and he was a 3-1 underdog to Pacquiao. According to Pacquiao's people, Pacquiao comes into his WW fights weighing around 149 lbs. He's been coming into his fights weighing at least 144 lbs. for the last 3 or 4 years. In all of Mayweather's WW fights, he's come into the fight weighing between 146 and 149 lbs. Mayweather claims he weighed in at 147 lbs. against Mosley after trying to get his weight up to 151 lbs. on fight night. Quite simply put, neither fighter would be at a size disadvantage in this fight.So the argument about Floyd being the fave in any part because he's allegedly bigger is bull****.

Some are claiming that Pacquiao, is at a styles disadvantge but is the better fighter. Well, I guess Mayweather was right when he said "we're not fighting to see who the best is". Obviously beating someone proves nothing in terms of who is a better fighter.:roll: The fact of the matter is, there is not style out there that people don't believe Mayweather can overcome. And there are quite a few people who say Mayweather needs to go up to 160 and fight Martinez. So obviously people aren't concerned with Mayweather being at a size disadvantage. So basically, some will want you to believe that even though Pacquiao can't handle certain styles and can't overcome the size of someone who is the basically the same size as him, he is better than a fighter who is undefeated over a 14 year career that has spanded 5 divisions, can adapt to any style and is expected to fight guys that are noticeably bigger than him.

According to some, the bar is not set higher for Mayweather; yet beating Pacquiao doesn't do a whole lot for Mayweather but beating Mayweather is a huge accomplishment for Pacquiao.

 

Tell me who has the advantages in reach, weight and height between Floyd and PAC.

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Its true that PAcquiao has beaten Cotto and Clottey at WW. He even dominated them. Both of them being top5 WWs. But proving yourself against Cotto and Clottey is not the same as proving yourself against Mayweather. Pacquiao and MAyweather are ATG fighters. Noone is saying that size is the only factor. Obviously, ability is the principle one. But that doesn't mean size doesn't matter. Its not "all or nothing". In a fight between two top50 ATG fighters at or near their primes, every inch matters.

Even against Cotto and Clottey, two guys that Pacquiao lost 1 out of 24 rounds to, Pacquiao was busted up. His head snapping pretty hard at even arm punches. PAcquiao showed he is an elite WW, but he didn't show that his body was made for that division. Pacquiao landed body shots on Clottey that would've bent over any JrWW IMO.

Also, I don't think that PAcquiao's style at a disadvantage against Mayweather, but I do think that this is the betting public's perception, which partly explains the odds even though Pac is the better p4p fighter.




keep in mind that its not like Floyd is the runaway favorite either. PAcquiao is pretty much giving out even odds, and Mayweather something like 5/6.

 

I think PAC was the favorite but Cotto doesn't enjoy that much advantage in reach and height over PAC. Cotto is only 67" reach and 5' 7" in height.

Floyd's 72" reach is very useful in potshotting opponents with shorter reach.

 

Perhaps, but the Marquez fight made it very clear that he doesn't need his reach.