Whyte fighting the winner of fury v wilder iii

If you then take into account 1 gift against Chisora snd being left unconcious by a 41 year old Povetkin it does not look as good.

 

It doesn't matter if they're weaker challenges or not, they were final eliminators, so he can't moan about not getting a shot if he's turning them down. Spin it how you like but it's not rocket science.

I wouldn't shout about turning down a final eliminator to fight Chisora in a rematch either.

 

I think the thing to remember when engaging with Mitch is that his entire agenda is to try and discredit Fury. Everything he posts comes back to this in the end.

He does it in a fairly roundabout way - talking up the "resumes" of Joshua and Whyte and playing down the "resumes" of people like Wilder (ie Ortiz) to try and make Fury's great win over him seem less impressive.

He will talk in absolute facts (not "in my opinion") ie his famous line "We don't really know what level post food, coke and alcohol binge Fury is at" and talk about Fury being "past prime" without adding in that it's simply "his opinion".

The key thing he does is removal of context - he will repeatedly discuss how Fury "ducked" Joshua without including the context of the offers Matchroom may or may not have made Fury.

I think having people that go against the grain is good for the forum - but I try to remember his overriding agenda whenever I see his posts. I'd love to know the motivation behind it - it is bizarre and comes across as a bit obsessive.

 

Beating Povetkin is still better than beating Ortiz.

I thought Whyte was the righrful winner against Chisora in their 1st fight and I had him winning by several points.

 

You can tell he absolutely despises Fury. Talking down Wilder and subsequently Wilder's best win in Ortiz to discredit Fury. He clearly has an impressive boxing knowledge but when he starts listing resumes and naming the likes of Mariusz Wach is when it starts getting borderline obsessive.

 

Come on Mitch, you're buying that 'cleared of all wrong doing' line because it suits your huge dislike of all things Fury. Ordinarily I don't believe you would accept this.

The only thing that got Whyte cleared was money. Same thing that gets other fighters like Fury, Canelo etc cleared. These drug testing companies do not have the money to go after the big money fighters and the organisations that back them. It would bankrupt them trying to pursue cases like Whyte and Fury before him. That's why we see low level boxers getting proper bans because they don't have huge financial clout behind them.

You do tend to see some kind of compromise...a very short ban which we've seen tons of times in boxing. It suits the fighters cos they tend to have several months between fights anyway. So Whyte wasn't cleared. He's a drug cheat with the rest of them and his compromise was to temporarily lose his ranking.

 

2 of the 4 governing bodies rate Ortiz higher than Parker.
Povetkin isn't in any ot the World top 15 rankings and Chisora has sneaked in one of them at no.13.

 

I'm just unconvinced that Fury is not at the level he was pre-retirment(s). We haven't seen him against on of more proven talented HWs since his return. Stated I've wanted him to fight the likes of AJ, Povetkin, Whyte, Hunter, Parker,Pulev etc to see assess his quality. Which 8 don't believe you can do for level of opposition he has fought upon his return. If Furyvbeats one of these guys then fair enough I'll admit my uncertainty over Fury's quality was the wrong call.

Wilder on the otherhand I can't stand. Apart from his personality and his comments. Has there ever been such padded record champ with cherry picked opposition? His whole resume is based off a beating one opponent in Ortiz who himself in his whole career is based on one win against Jennings who was overrated due a controversial point deduction against Perez who got a gift draw against Takam. Also the amount offers turned to down to fight AJ, turned down offer to fight Whyte and never seeked to unify against the likes Wlad, Martin, Parker and AJ whilst he had the WBC title.

 

A lot of similarities with Whyte and Galahad - miniscule amount, contamination etc - except it wasn't Whyte's first fail. One got off, one got a 2 year ban

 

I've heard of the triangle theory but that's the pentagon theory.

 

Povetkin is retired.

Governing bodies ratings? In these two governing body rankings the WBA have De Mori in the top 10 and WBC Ajagba in the top 10.

Judge them in comparison on what they've done in the ring.

Ortiz most notable wins - Jennings and Hammer.

Chisora most notable wins - Takam, Spzilka, price and robbed a win against Helenius.

Parker notable wins - Ruiz, Chisora, Takam, Hughie and Fa.

 

he aint undefeated
if where holding campbells win as a loss
fury got absolutely beat by McDermott
all the top heavies are carrying losses
except uysk

 

money doesn't matter laugh my arse off


remember thier aint no fight untill someone puts lots of millions in my bank
lol
fury made demands to face whyte they were meet
theses are facts

 

@Mitch87 loves a CV - if only the fight outcomes were based on CVs and not punches landed on the night

 

I rather judge a fight on what they done in the ring previously (plus a combination of stylistically how they match up) rather than if a person likes the boxer or not to fit their agenda.