Whyte has zero chance of dethroning the Gypsy King.

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  1. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Oh, brother.

    So it doesn't matter that Whyte isn't the guy who ended Klitschko's decade-long reign or that he isn't the guy who demolished the most destructive puncher in the division, because you imagine that he was every bit as capable as Fury of doing so, even though everything we've seen suggests the opposite, i.e. that he's a much less skilled, versatile and intangibly gifted fighter than Fury (to put it in a nutshell).

    They're on par. Because you say they are. Gotcha.


    Jokes aside, very much what I was thinking, i.e. that an agreement was struck for a cordial final presser to appease Whyte.
     
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  2. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Havent checked but your not going to find that I can promise you.

    Maybe something like 8 to 1 stoppage would be ok for small wager for me
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Whyte is a big, strong guy with KO power

    Fury is the better man and should theoretically be too skilled and quick for him and on paper and should win via stoppage in the second half of the fight

    But he has been down many times

    Has come very close to being stopped

    And he was getting caught with big right hands from The Bronze Dosser in their last two fights even though they were telegraphed and everyone could see them coming

    Even he saw the coming but couldn't get out of the way of them

    I'm picking Fury, who by the sounds of it might be reverting back to Slick Gypsy mode for this one or at least partially, to win via stoppage but this is not Errol Spence on his puncher avoiding tour beating up on career 140 pounders, blown up 135s with KO 0% above 135, and career 140 pounder featherfists. Whyte is a puncher and he possesses the power to hurt and stop Fury if he catches him right.

    It's very different when you're in against a puncher who can turn your lights out in the blink of an eye anytime you make a mistake or even often when you haven't made one, as we saw in Baptism I and III when that unskilled dosser bounced Fury off the canvas multiple times and came within a whisker of stopping him.

    So it's crazy to say any legit puncher has zero chance and Whyte is going to be super hungry and motivated to finally get his hands on that belt

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  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Yeah Whyte can lose, by stoppage I’m not so sure. But he isn’t just limited to his left hook. He carries power in both hands with his body shots and his cross which stumbled Chisora in round one of rematch and Rivas in round 2 who are thick necked, stocky framed, muscle bound guys with solid/granite chins.

    When Fury has been down against guys like Cunningham 12 KOs in 45 fights. And had the pressure piled on him by non punchers like Wallin.
     
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    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Whyte would've lost to Parker on a level playing field and he would've been KO'd had the final bell not come to his rescue and Parker had 10-20 more seconds to finish him off

    He was sparked out cold by the shell of Povetkin's grandfather's ghost

    AJ knocked him silly and made his legs simultaneously dance to three different music genres with a cuffing right hand

    Rivas dropped him too

    Fury, if he catches him right can definitely knock him out too

    I agree that Whyte carries power in both hands though
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    All guys who can punch Hard no shame in that.
    Parker isn’t a puncher and Whyte got caught. Fair play... still he is a 245 pound heavyweight with the speed of a light heavy.

    whyte never been downed by a cruiserweight non-puncher like Cunningham.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I never said he had

    I'm saying that Fury possesses the power to win via stoppage and KO too if he catches him right

    Whyte can be hit, hurt and KO'd as he has been twice

    Fury toyed with Chisora in the rematch and stoped him via accumulation

    He can win on points. He can outbox Whyte and break him down and stop him like he did against Chisora. And he can win via power KO too.

    Parker can crack
     
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  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Whyte was put on his bum by a bridgerweight

    First HW contender to have been done so?
     
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  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Well I am rewatching the Fury vs Wallin fight and I can see Fury throwing the kitchen sink, and fighting for his life but not doing much to hurt or stop wallin.

    I’m just saying Fury isn’t known for punching power. It isn’t his forte. And given enough punches by a 6 foot 9 250 pound guy with no anwser back I would expect Whyte to end up like Wilder or Chisora.

    soaking up dozens of power punches to the face, but Whyte just needs a few to get the job done and his accuracy is several levels above Wilder.
     
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  11. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Might be an upset like Joshua with Ruiz.

    One powerful hook on Furys skull or a well-aimed blow to Furys liver followed by a Whytes finishing combo could be enough to daze Fury and knock him out. However I thiink there could be a couple (or more) of KDs from both sides like in Fury v Wilder III before a final KO by one of the two.

    In any case I strongly doubt we'll see that flawless machine called Gypsy King who destroyed Wilder in fight II but rather a version of the fighter that beat Wilder in the 3rd bout a bit aged, slower and easier to hit by Whyte.
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Even though Fury got dropped by Cunningham, if Whyte fought the Bronze Dosser x 3 he would've got KTFO at least once bare minimum

    Fury has eaten shots from the Bronze Dosser which would've knocked Whyte out

    Fury hits harder than many credit him for when he wants to and he is the biggest, most skillful, and best fighter Whyte will ever have fought and Whyte has been KO'd twice by fighters Fury would've beaten

    I'm not trying to **** on Whyte and I've already admitted he possesses the power to KO Fury if he catches him right. But, likewise, Fury can KO Whyte if he catches him right too and he doesn't need to be a known KO artist to do it
     
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  13. BubblesUK

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    True up to a point... There's still a question mark for me as to what level this post-return Fury truly is.

    I think he's way up there, but what's he really done to prove it? Fought a few cans, struggled with a game but seemingly unspectacular fighter in Wallin and beaten a hopelessly protected cherry picking champion who only agreed to fight him because he thought Fury was a ghost of his former self - he's hardly provided stacks of evidence that he's as good as most of us think he is.

    Whyte's a solid contender - far better boxer than Wilder (not difficult) and still bangs pretty damn hard... This is a step up in difficulty from Deonkey, it'll go a long way to answering my question/nagging doubt - I expect him to silence that doubt, but I'm not convinced he'll have an easy time of it.
     
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  14. channy

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    Dillian, if he can see it he should just go for it, he needs to see it though and i think he almost understands it, and if he doesn't understand it just get in there and go for it, it is only a fight and that is all he needs to tell himself....
     
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  15. VOXDEI

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    I'm unclear as to on what metric Whyte is superior to Fury, if both fighters come in on form Whyte gets beat pretty quickly I imagine.

    Height: Fury
    Weight: Fury
    Hand speed: Fury
    Foot speed: Fury
    Toughness/ heart: Fury
    Gas tank: Fury
    Chin: Fury
    Reach: Fury
    Skill: Fury
    Power (in the clinch): Fury
    Power (punch): Whyte

    Did I miss anything?
     
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