Whyte is shocking...

Yep, I don't think there's that many out there who'd trouble Fury at the moment. Joshua his biggest challenge by far. Usyk might be tricky for a while but just isn't big or rangey enough.

 

I don't buy into arguments that side with size. For the last 100 years we have seen shorter heavyweights beat much taller heavyweights. Fury and Joshua are not immune to this threat. Joshua was defeated by a man who is billed at 6'2'' but is truly 5'11''-6' at the most, who has very slow foot speed, a gargantuan belly and a tiny reach. Fury, although hardly taking the bout seriously up until that point and who has improved a lot since then, was dropped by Cunningham who is listed at 6'3'', same with Pajkic. Wladimir Klitschko lost to Puritty and Brewster who was a lot shorter than him. Sanders was also shorter. He was dropped multiple times by Sam Peter. He could hardly lay a glove on a pathetic David Haye. Lennox Lewis was sparked by two men who were 6'2''.

Height itself is not an argument, only if that specific boxer relies on their height to defeat other opponents and is nullified against taller opposition. Usyk walks around lean at 220 pounds, has a formidable engine, is agile and is skilful. He also has belief and ambition. The same can't be said for most.

I think it is unbelievable that people are parroting these sorts of things. Tyson Fury, who wants no part of Usyk, would be proud. That's what he wants to propagate the boxing public with.

Usyk gives both Joshua and Fury ridiculously tough tests. More importantly, he brings something new and exciting to the table. I'm surprised more people aren't calling for these fights. Fury said with Kellerman that if he beats Joshua he will be the best of his era - complete and utter nonsense.

 

Good post and lots of good points - just in my view in that particular matchup, the size would play a part. Both are intelligent boxers, both move well and have decent shot selection. The big advantage Fury would have is reach and strength and I believe that's what would win him the fight. It's just my opinion remember.

 

I can see where both of you are coming from and agree with what you're saying, I do think Fury is a slightly more unique case as in we've seen him use his height and reach to beat opponents, he was like a bear with Cunningham once it got serious. For what it's worth I think Usyk gives any Heavyweight a seriously hard night's work and I firmly believe that he can beat any of the current crop.

 

I think Usyk is far too smart to be drawn into close quarters with Fury for Fury's weight to bear a significant advantage. It's a hard bout to visualise in terms of what would happen. I think that Usyk would be in and out of range like a yoyo and I think he has the engine to go 12 with intensity. The fact is that Fury has faced nobody with the bunched traits that Usyk brings to the table. Fury at one point in time was quick, but the last time he was that quick was against W. Klitschko and he only looked like that sort of boxer against Chisora and Hammer. I think his speed is overrated. When people say he moves like a lightweight it makes me cringe.

Usyk is different proposition. Where Cunningham is Kyle Reese, Usyk is more the T-1000. The only thing Usyk and Cunningham have in common is the height. Usyk is a stone heavier than Cunningham and is without a doubt stronger, has a much better engine, hits harder, can hit opponents from unusual angles, better body puncher, better chin and he brings the flamboyance that is perfect for the biggest of occasions.

I don't know who wins these bouts between Usyk, Fury and Joshua. I am just bemused by Fury's camp dismissing Usyk because he's a clear threat. Joshua ideally doesn't have to box Usyk, but I don't think he would go out of his way to avoid him like I fear Fury may do. Usyk, Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Whyte, Joyce, Ruiz and a few others would all make for great bouts in any combination, so it's a shame that this simply doesn't happen in boxing.

 

Spot on, people talk endlessly about the weight advantage the bigger and heavier man has, but they don’t discuss the DISadvantages the bigger and heavier man has, such as slower feet, slower hands, less coordination for the most part. There are lots of problems a smaller faster fighter gives to a big man, I personally think Fury understands this, I think he knows how much trouble Usyk gives him. Hunter is another guy I think causes the big guys problems

 

Also stamina is an issue. If Usyk could set a pace like he used to then most of these huge heavies will be blowing out their arse.

 

Fair play to Dillian Whyte, he knows how to sell himself but his hypocrisy is as embarrassing as those he often has a pop at. He's slagging Andy Ruiz off for fighting a shot fighter in Arreola...I mean, wow.

 

I'm a bit confused as to how you think he's being a hypocrite. I can only assume it's because you believe Povetkin is shot and Whyte just beat him up and took advantage of that. I think there are levels to being shot. Povetkin is nowhere near as shoot as Arreola. Arreola is also 40, has taken a hell of a lot more punishment than Povetkin, had already retired and hasn't beaten anyone with a pulse since 2013 in... Seth Mitchell.

Povetkin was coming off a draw with Michael Hunter, who is one of the forum's most highly touted heavyweights. Povetkin was unlucky in that bout not to get a KD that would have given him the victory on the cards, considering Hunter was kept up by the ropes. Prior to that, he beat Hughie Fury easily.

 

I disagree, I thought he lost against Hunter. The hypocrisy is not just Povetkin but also Wach who is a walking punchbag. Whyte took that fight to get himself back in the ring off the back of a drugs fiasco. Ruiz hasn't fought since the AJ fight and like Whyte with Wach just wants to blow some cobwebs off.

Povetkin looked dreadful in that first fight. In fact I thought he looked a shadow of himself against Hunter. He was picked for that reason by Whyte. A once top name selling his scalp for a contenders resume.

 

The Malcolm Tann fight was a weird one

 

Both Povetkin and Arreola are well past it but to be fair Povetkin had only lost to long time best in the division Wlad and Joshua top 2 or 3 in the division before fighting Whyte Whereas Arreola's been up and down since 2013.

 

Lol I wouldn't go near her Instagram mate not since Bellew has a boxing "personality" triggered me so much , mind you young conor benn is rapidly making up ground on those pair

 

Povetkin and Arreola are worlds apart in quality, just look at the gulf in standard of resumes. I mean Arreola best ever win was against Molina whilst Povetkin now probably still beats the weaker guys in the top 10 such as Wilder, Ortiz and Rivas.