Whyte, Ruiz and Joshua: Rematch clauses

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  1. Trafford

    Trafford Active Member Full Member

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    Your thinking is very flawed in that Joshua earned that position. Anyone can put the work in market themselves in the right way and obtain the wins and sponsorships he has. Ruiz chose to eat snickers and sign with promoters that did not promote or back him. Is that Joshua’s or Hearns fault. So are we saying none the rematch clauses should be predetermined and Ruiz should go and prove himself out of the fight and the fans lose out on never getting to see the rematch? As you can get that’s what would of happened if Al Haymon who employs the exact same tactics as Hearn would have done.

    Many of the clauses you have said may not have been stipulated. I haven’t seen anything about Ring sizes and most contracts state gloves must be on the approved list of governing bodies. Not exactly saying AJ gets comncrete ones and Ruiz can have pillows. Ruiz wil get to wear the gloves of his choosing
     
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  2. londonboxingess

    londonboxingess Member Full Member

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    To me a lot of you are supporting what people would disagree with in real life, ie public school boys being given massive advantage due to their background and backers, MP's ie promoter dictacting terms to the small people and pooing down on them, sport should be a level playing field
     
  3. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 28-0 WBC Peoples Champ + Lineal Full Member

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    If that the case then they should take the money offered and beat AJ then they can moke their money then..
     
  4. Twentyman

    Twentyman Watching Netball with Adam Smith Full Member

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    I think there’s two sides formed in this debate and the truth is, those who argue that it’s morally wrong and should be changed are right...and the ones who say he signed the contract, he should honour it and the fight is only huge money cos of the A side anyway and not because of the belts are also right.
     
  5. Scissors

    Scissors Up the reds Full Member

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    Spot on. It’s morally wrong but it’s (officially) correct.
     
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  6. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Active Member Full Member

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    Sport is on a level playing field. Anyone can have a crack depending on ability and if you're good enough you can go professional.

    That however doesn't mean that all professionals should be paid the same. An obvious point, but where do you think the money is coming from in order to pay these people? If 100 people turn up to a leisure centre to watch Billy Joe Saunders and 90,000 turn up to a football stadium to watch Anthony Joshua should they be paid the same because both are world title fights?

    Your argument seems to be that the guy who can play grade 8 virtuoso guitar but sells a hundred tickets to see him play should get more money than the three chord band who can sell out a stadium because he's better. Think of professional sport as another form of entertainment and you've got your answer.
     
  7. londonboxingess

    londonboxingess Member Full Member

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    Sport is a level playing field? Have a day off, how many normal lads play for England Rugby or hockey team or even rowing and things like that.
     
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  8. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Active Member Full Member

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    Why is it morally wrong?
     
  9. Scissors

    Scissors Up the reds Full Member

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    Because the champion of the world. The number 1 ranked heavyweight. The holder of 4 belts. Is getting about 10%.

    Morally is the wrong word to be honest. But it’s not right is it. It’s his own fault though for signing up to it.
     
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  10. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Active Member Full Member

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    A perfectly normal point to raise in a thread about notoriously privileged, Old-Etonian, Oxbridge educated member of the landed gentry Lord Anthony Joshua.
     
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  11. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Active Member Full Member

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    But on his own Ruiz can't really sell a ticket and that's why purses change. Is it 'morally' right that Joshua is generating 90% of the revenue for this fight on the back of him being part of it if he ended up being paid the short end of the wedge?
     
  12. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not sure why any fan of boxing would defend any sort of "rematch clause" anyway, regardless of the %.

    The idea that a champion can defend his title safe in the knowledge that even if he gets blasted out in a few seconds, schooled badly, stink the place out or quits on his stool he gets to jump straight back in and the front of the queue and fight again for the title, makes an absolute mockery of boxing's pretensions to be a "sport".

    The fact that champions can even squeeze in a condition they get paid 80% or 90% on the rematch is preposterous.
     
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  13. Twentyman

    Twentyman Watching Netball with Adam Smith Full Member

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    I reckon Ruiz could now pull in a big audience in Mexico off the back of his win against Joshua.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    So, do you think the Saudis would be putting up the same kind of money if Joshua was fighting Sefer Seferi instead ?
     
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  15. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If WBA, IBF, WBO heavyweight belts don't add considerable value to a fight what's the point in having them ?