Whyte, Ruiz and Joshua: Rematch clauses

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by CutThroatFade, Aug 11, 2019.



  1. Scissors

    Scissors Up the reds Full Member

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    Look at Bellew/Haye Degale/Eubank. Fighters vacating for the paydays. The belts don’t bring the money nowadays unfortunately.
     
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  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Change of mind Full Member

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    Listen, as usual with life, people open their mouths without putting themselves in other peoples shoes.

    I have been blessed with the ability to think from another persons perspective, I can sympathize, empathize, simulate how I would feel in Ruiz position IF I HAD been Ruiz for the past 10 years, not if I just stepped into his shoes now and got offered 9 million.

    Because I have never been offered even one million before.

    So it is distastefully WRONG what he is being offered from the pot, BUT he did sign up to whatever he signed up too.. I don't know what it says on splits but he should accept.

    Are rematch clauses needed? Yeah probably

    Should rematch clauses reverse the split from the first bout? Yeah, that is more fair.

    Was I the first person to suggest this in the forum? Yes, probably.
     
  3. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But I really doubt Joshua would be getting anywhere near as much to fight a non-title.

    Ruiz clearly brings a lot of value to a Joshua-Ruiz rematch. For 2 reasons :
    1. He's the conqueror of Joshua and brings a unique attraction as a Joshua opponent.
    2. He has the WBA, IBF, WBO belts.

    "Tony Hayers" would seem to argue otherwise, but that makes no sense to me.
    If Ruiz isn't worth much, why all this fuss about Joshua fighting him again at all ?
     
  4. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The belts have value but not as much as people think and I agree with you. Say AJ randomly fights Fury next with no belts on the line, it breaks all records in the UK. Eubank could have the WBC title but he chose to fight Degale and Bellew left his cruiserweight title to fight Haye.

    If a fighter is popular and the fights are deemed as good then it doesn’t matter.
     
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  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Saudis actually want Joshua to fight Tom Schwarz but they accepted Ruiz after Hearn persuaded them.
     
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  6. Scissors

    Scissors Up the reds Full Member

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    Ruiz has a lot of value, that’s why he’s being paid more than any other heavyweight in the world bar Joshua.

    Joshua picked up $35mil for the first fight and Ruiz/Miller weren’t household names. His pulling power is absolutely immense. Worldwide, clearly. So I think he would be in for a hefty pay day no matter who he fought.
     
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    UKboxingfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    @Aydamn liking my post has reminded me. Dillian Whyte a combination of 1.2 million buys over 3 fights with no title on the line, just good fights.

    You don’t need a belt, Fury doesn’t have one either at the moment and I’m sure he’d do huge numbers in the U.K. against a good name.
     
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  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Change of mind Full Member

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    Exactly, and of course the impressive almost 300K PPV against unknown Rivas.

    So I was there backing Whyte when he turned down certain fights, like Joshua and not going after Usyk... when belts aren't the be all end all, and it's important take other types of value from a fight, like ranking, money, mandatory shot to make the bigger fights more lucractive down the line.

    It's just business planning. Simple, all these guys are brave enough to fight on any given day.
     
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  9. Banksters

    Banksters New Member Full Member

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    Okay so if Canelo had lost the titles to Fielding and a rematch was not made. Instead a Title-less Canelo v Golovkin is what people would be interested in. Are you sure about that ?

    You think if people had seen Canelo lose to a bum like Fieldings, people would still pay PPV and tickets in big numbers to see Canelo take on Golovkin ? Dream on

    So if Ruiz was to get injured or pull out of the AJ Fight, where does AJ goes from their ? Will the Arabs still pay a reported 33M Site fee for Joshua versus anyone not Ruiz ?

    Ruiz made that rematch into a massive spinner
     
  10. Banksters

    Banksters New Member Full Member

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    So for objective purposes, if Wilder lost the WBC would he still be relevant ?
    That’s UK Specific though. We know that in the UK mediocrity sells. Hence the likes of Whyte, Bellew, Campbell, Haye, Quigg are/we’re on PPV. Even Hearn admitted this once during the Jack-De Gale press conference in 2017. Think about it, you think garbage like Haye-Bellew would sell in the US or other markets ? I don’t even think Haye-Bellew was on US TV.

    That’s why Hearn struggles when outside the UK, in the UK you can sell garbage and get away with it, because the demand for high level boxing outstrips the supply. While in international markets like the U.S it’s the opposite.
     
  11. TonyHayers

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    No. But to keep him as an example, I reckon they'd pay ten times more for Joshua Seferi than Ruiz Seferi.
     
  12. Banksters

    Banksters New Member Full Member

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    You’re a moron. You’re saying Ruiz knocking seven shades out of Joshua in the first fight, hasn’t made the pot vastly bigger ?

    You’re saying the Arabs would pay a 33M Site fee for Joshua v absolutely anyone. Are you deluded ? The Pot is massive because RUIZ NOT Joshua created the upset and flipped the narrative. Ruiz should have the majority of the split nevermind 50%. It also serves as an incentive to the loser who just lost his belts to not make the same mistakes first time around

    You can’t reason with Matchroom Mongs like Tony.
     
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    Banksters New Member Full Member

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    That’s to do with UK Fans accepting and paying for mediocrity though. You wouldn’t get away with matchups like that on PPV in the US or other countries.

    Look at the key difference when it comes to the quality of US Boxing Networks and UK Networks. The vast majority of US Saturday Fight Nights and PPV Fights HAVE to be World Championship Title Fights.

    On the other hand we Brits should be grateful to Eddie if we get World Title Fights on Sky Box Office
     
  14. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So much politics talk yuck
     
  15. Banksters

    Banksters New Member Full Member

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    So Joshua does not fight Ruiz Next and he fights Fury instead and you believe it will crack 1.5M PPV Buys and bring in a record gate....

    So Why is Joshua desperate for a rematch ? It’s not like Ruiz holds anything of importance if belts are not of value ?