Whyte vs Hearn The gloves are off

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  1. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because that challenger is still the draw. When Oscar lost to mosley, Oscar still got the majority split for a rematch offered as he was still the money man. The split would be better for the new champion but 50% is fair.

    Rahman v Lewis 2. Rahman got $10 million Lewis got $11 million.

    Let's not try and make out like AJ requesting at least 50/50 at worse in a rematch is unusual as it's not.
     
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  2. jm2729v

    jm2729v Member Full Member

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    I think Eddie Hearn has to overpay fighters now because Joshua is seriously starting to look like a corporate robot with no mind of his own. The gulf in star power and PPV value between Joshua and the rest is massive but that doesn't translate proportionally into the splits.
     
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  3. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    60/40 translates perfectly.
     
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  4. Beez

    Beez Active Member Full Member

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    I think If anything has been proven clear over the last few weeks of negotiations I would say it’s that Hearn works FOR AJ and it’s AJ making the offers delivered by Hearn.

    My personal opinion is 60/40 is more than fair given the gulf in earning potential.

    Everyone loved AJ on the come up now he is top of the tree it’s fashionable to knock him.
     
  5. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    He may deserve it, but he's entitled to what he can negotiate. He's tried to get the lions share in a rematch to a voluntary shot at the title but failed. He doesn't have the leverage that comes with being a massive commercial draw in his own right or being a mandatory challenger who can trade a rematch clause for better terms. So he's going away to get that leverage.

    I doubt that too. What I don't doubt is that a rematch following a shock defeat to Joshua would be truly massive, far bigger than the first fight. If Joshua lost that too his earning capacity and legacy would be severely damaged and it's very possible, even likely that it would be his final fight in the ring and last chance to earn. So his management team aren't going to sacrifice the lions share of those revenues because they will argue that its still Joshua's star power that will be driving the narrative that makes the second fight such a draw. All the usual rules about leverage and options apply. Joshua got himself in the box seat and can drive a hard bargain.
     
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  6. Degale

    Degale New Member Full Member

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    Cut throat fade obsession with Hearn is embarrassing
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  7. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You’ve named yourself after one of the most delusional boxers around, enough said.
     
  8. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    If Whyte became World Champion, would he be able to sell out Wembley?

    We all know the answer is a 2 lettered word.

    This alone shows his pulling power and, with that, his realistic % value in an AJ fight, rematch or otherwise.

    The bloke, imo, is a fool not to take the shot with a 50/50 rematch clause, we are talking serious serious walk away from the game faculties intact life changing money.

    The only way he'll get things on his terms is to fight and defeat Breazeale, fight and defeat Wilder (if he still has the belt) as mando and then it is a UK Unification showdown v AJ.

    That is a long long route and way to go about things.
     
  9. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Hearn has been quite explicit on several occasions that this is exactly what he means. They are not going to agree a fight without a rematch clause and they will seek to leverage Joshua's A side status in how that clause is drawn up. There was a video posted during the interminable Wilder 'talks' where he outlines his offer, including the splits, which I think may have been 55/45 in AJ's favour for the second fight if Wilder wins the first. Hearn added up estimated takings from each fight for Wilder and summed it up as 'beat AJ twice, we pay you $40m and you get 'the keys to the kingdom' as a undisputed HW champion.
     
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  10. Jojojojo

    Jojojojo New Member Full Member

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    Out of curiosity on other occasions when the heavyweight champion is also the draw has lost unexpectedly ie Lennox vs Rahman Wlad Fury (i know Fury lost his ahole on that occasion but negotiations were done for the rematch )how has the new champion fared financially in the rematch ? Could Buster Douglas realistically demanded any where close to half of the pot against Tyson ifvthatvrematch could have been made.

    Is there a precedent for these situations ? This whole thread seems like another one for the we hate Hearn and AJ brigade , do they have a point here or is it the historical norm for the much bigger draw to get the lions share in a rematch despite the defeat?
     
  11. Holler

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    He's gambled, which I quite like. I think he loses to Joshua and that loss may spell the end of his PPV headlining days maybe his entire career too, but he has a good chance against most of the other guys out there and Eddie has dates to fill. He does have some cards to play. There's probably only three opponents at present who comfortably fill Wembley for Joshua and in a few months that could be down to two. He has chance of WBO mandatory status if Usyk doesnt take it or even better if he could get Wilders WBC belt then he'd have the best leverage anyone can own in a negotiation with Joshua.
     
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  12. delboy82

    delboy82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i think almost everyone has also just missed the point..... Whyte doesnt want the offer due to the poor rematch clause. He wants to go the mando route and then be in the driving seat for negotiations and that he will offer AJ 20%.

    So just to clear it up Whyte doesnt wanna get lowballed by AJ but is more than happy to do exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.
     
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  13. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    automatic rematch clauses should be outlawed in title fights by the governing bodies.
    it does a dis-service to boxing, boxers and fans, if a champion gets stopped in a fight he is losing and then is entitled to a rematch when a legitimate top contender has to wait.
    its actually part of corruption in boxing that these clauses can be written into contracts.
     
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  14. TonyHayers

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    It may be hard to convince him, but it shouldn't be. Joshua and Whyte have both fought Parker on PPV. Joshua did about a million more buys. Factoring in venue, he sold around an additional 55,000 tickets. At very round figures, average ticket price at a hundred quid and a PPV at twenty, Joshua has, against the same guy, brought an additional £25m to the table.

    Whyte can talk all he likes, but that's why he's going to end up losing out on a big payday if he's not careful. He doesn't even have the unknown factor either having already been knocked out by AJ.
     
  15. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield got £3 mil more than Tyson in their rematch but that was Evander Holyfield.
     

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