Whyte's coach: "Dillian is more dangerous than Klitschko and Wilder"

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  1. Finkel

    Finkel Active Member Full Member

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    Your time line is completely out of whack there. Ortiz was serving a drugs suspension when Breazeale v Molina was made. It is the exact reason why, it could be made.
    Whyte was not #1 in IBF, Pulev was. It was Pulev, Whyte avoided to fight Parker, not Ortiz.

    Here is what happened:
    Whyte fought an eliminator against Chisora in 2016. Stiverne's fight with Povetkin (to be mandatory) fell through when both failed drug tests. WBC decided to just make Stiverne mandatory. Stiverne took step aside to let Wilder fight Ortiz in 2017, and was allowed to cherry pick Breazeale as a tune up - Stiverne would get wilder next. The contract basically meant it was a fight for mandatory. Breazeale signed the contract.

    Then Ortiz popped dirty. So Stiverns stepped up the fight Wilder. Whyte made an offer to fight Breazeale (which would be final eliminator - Whyte fought an eliminator, Breazeale hadn't, but had the contract). Breazeale rejected the offer to fight Whyte. The WBC allowed Breazeale who was ranked below Whyte to cherry pick Molina (who was suspended by UKAD).

    It was an announced as an eliminator, not a final eliminator. Then after the fight happened the WBC started dicking Whyte around again. Pretended it Breazeale was now the mandatory and Whyte had to fight Ortiz to become second mandatory (but still would not guarantee him a title shot if he won).

    Eventually after pressing the matter, the WBC folded and made the Breazeale v Whyte final eliminator. But then Fury pulled out of Wilder v Fury 2, and Breazeale got given the mandatory position.

    So basically Breazeale was a guy cherry picked by Stiverne, who himself should never have been mandatory. Then on the strength of a fight he never had, and by beating Molina who was banned by UKAD, he became the mandatory before Whyte who was WBC#1 and who fought an legitimate eliminator years earlier.
     
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  2. Finkel

    Finkel Active Member Full Member

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    Whilst I don't want to discourage anyone. That post was not an accurate reflection of what happened at all.
     
  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be banned Full Member

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    The same Fury who got put on his arse by an average cruiserweight?

    Or by 95 Kilo, stick thin guy?

    Hmmm... not sure. I think Whyte KOd the guy you call Chisora, sent him to the underworld.
     
  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be banned Full Member

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    lmfao yeah because Fury is the epitome of male physique, cover of Men's Fitness. LOL
     
  5. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are correct he did also Duck the eliminator with Pulev. I didn’t mention that because I was only referencing his issue with the WBC. Twice they ordered ima 3 year period and both times he chose to fight someone else. And google is your friend for that info.
     
  6. Finkel

    Finkel Active Member Full Member

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    Well, please tell me what you found with Google. But, again I suspect you are muddying the water here. Are you Scott Gilfoid by any chance?

    Below is a detailing of the events relevant to Whyte’s mandatory position, up to this nonsense with Luis Ortiz (I could go in more detail on general WBC corruption, but it’s not relevant here):

    DEC 2016: Whyte v Chisora 1 is an eliminator for the WBC title. – Whyte wins

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    DEC 2016: Joshua v Molina – Joshua wins, Molina fails a UKAD drug test, UKAD investigation begins. ***remember this for later

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    DEC 2016: Stiverne and Povetkin are due to fight for Interim Title (+ the chance to become Wilder’s first mandatory). First Stiverne and then Povetkin fail drug tests.

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    December 2016: Don King lobbies the WBC to make Stiverne the Interim Champion without fighting anyone.

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    December 2016: Rumours that Whyte will fight Bermaine Stiverne in a final eliminator.

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    WBC ranking end of 2016:

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    So… ENTERING 2017

    We have Whyte on track to challenge for the WBC title having won an eliminator. Wilder (PBC) hasn’t faced a mandatory in his first two years as Champion. Povetkin has failed a drug test. Stiverne has failed a drug test. Molina has failed a UKAD drug test, but the information is yet to be published.


    FEBRUARY 2017: After lobbying from Don King the WBC install Stiverne as Interim champion and then make him Wilder’s mandatory challenger, ignoring Stiverne’s failed drug test, and not requiring Stiverne to fight a WBC final eliminator against one of Ortiz or Whyte (which fans were expecting). Again, note Whyte won a WBC title eliminator in 2016.

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    FEB 2017: Dillian Whyte (WBC #4) calls out Dominic Breazeale (WBC #11) for Silver title fight.

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    JULY 2021: Whyte’s team makes a third offer to fight Wilder, but Stiverne’s mandatory status may prevent it

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    AUGUST 2017: Stiverne (WBC#1), the WBC interim belt holder and mandatory challenger, announces that he will make an interim title defence against Breazeale (WBC #11) on the undercard of Wilder v Ortiz.

    NOTE: Breazeale (WBC#11 following his win against Ugonoh) was drafted in as a guy for Stiverne to beat in a tune-up fight after Stiverne was forced to step aside for Luis Ortiz by the WBC. Remember Whyte (WBC#4) had already won his title eliminator 8 months earlier. The WBC will now start nudging up Breazeale’s ranking month by month.

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    SEPTEMBER 2017: Luis Ortiz fails a drug test…

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    SEPTEMBER 2017: Whyte offers to step in and fight Wilder

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    SEPTEMBER 2017: DiBella, Wilder’s promoter doesn’t like the idea of the Whyte fight:

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    OCT 2017: Stiverne installed as mandatory to fight Wilder. Note, Stiverne has not fought in 2 years, will now be elevated to be Wilder’s mandatory challenger.

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    OCTOBER 2017: Instead of Breazeale (PBC) fighting Whyte on the undercard, the WBC allows Breazeale to choose his opponent for his title eliminator. Breazeale chooses Eric Molina (PBC)! The same Eric Molina (PBC) who is now serving a UKAD ban. *** remember this, it will be important later.

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    OCT 2017: Molina’s UKAD ban begins

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    OCT2017: Breazeale (WBC#6) v Molina (WBC#12) press release has this as a Final Eliminator. The media are shocked by this, questioning the WBC. Note Breazeale, month by month has been nudged up from WBC #11 to #6. lol

    The WBC change their website from “final eliminator” to “eliminator” following the backlash.

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    OCT 2017: Whyte will fight Helenius for Silver title:

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    NOV 2017: Wilder v Stiverne, in Wilder’s first mandatory defence. 1st round KO of the morbidly obese Stiverne, who throws 4 punches.

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    NOV 2017: Breazeale v Molina, Breazeale wins the title eliminator.

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    DECEMBER 2017: Wilder rejects a $3m offer to fight Whyte, because he wants $7m, and chooses instead agrees to fight Luis Ortiz in March 2018:

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    So end of 2017… we have Dillian Whyte (who has been chasing a fight with Wilder all year) who has won a WBC title eliminator and Dominic Breazeale who has won a WBC title eliminator. Everyone is now expecting Whyte v Breazeale as a final eliminator to become Wilder’s mandatory challenger.


    March 2019, WBC rewrite history and claim Breazeale fought Molina in a Final Eliminator bout and make him the Mandatory challenger to fight Deontay Wilder.

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    April 2019: WBC instead of ordering Whyte v Breazeale in a final eliminator, they order a fight for “second mandatory” between Whyte and Ortiz (note: Ortiz was just KO’d by Wilder in March 2019).

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    May 2019: Hearn calls out the nonsense blocking Whyte from ever fighting Wilder:

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  7. The Townsend

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    Gosh.

    Flat footed, glass chin, slow, leans over every time he throws a punch Whyte.

    He does have a mean left hook though.
     
  8. senpai

    senpai Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk has more KO% than Whyte :bump
     
  9. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Active Member Full Member

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    Not on replay @Vegan Beast because you know how it ends but it was an ATG HW masterclass. Whyte-Povetkin certainly has more rewatch value but it was a far lower level fight.
     
  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be banned Full Member

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    Correct me if I am wrong, because I have heard this about two million times... but heavyweight division is always where the money is because.... its exciting... knockouts.... entertaining

    Yeah Fury isn’t as much of that as Whyte is.

    If you want to talk masterclass, Usyk vs AJ was a masterclass. That was as good as it gets in high skill overcoming size plus skill.

    Fury, has no idea what he is doing in the ring, these are his own words!!! i can link you to the intervieww!! He doesn’t know what he is going to do most of the time... and then people like you come along and call it’s masterclass!!! Lol

    If Fury was 3 inches shorter he would be as succesful as Hughie Fury. That’s why Hughie exists, as a reminder.
     
  11. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of poetic license in your recall...
     
  12. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Active Member Full Member

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    If you believe that Tyson "doesn't know what he's going to do" in the ring and acts on pure instinct then you are seriously intellectually challenged. I like Fury but I take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

    Fury was a 7/2 underdog against 22 fight undefeated Wlad, Usyk was a 9/4 underdog against 2 fight undefeated AJ. By consensus Fury won 10 rounds, Usyk won 8/9. Usyk took over twice as many punches from AJ as Fury took from Wlad. Both were masterclass performances.

    Fury has stopped 5/9 of his best opponents, Whyte has stopped 1/9. Whyte isn't a KO artist even against the likes of Dave Allen or Helenius; he's a poser who relies on officials to beat other B/C level heavies.
     
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  13. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be banned Full Member

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    In theory, but in practise the punters show up to Whytes fights more, ergo they are more entertained.

    The same fans who watched Fury in the klitckho fight, didn’t show up in the same numbers for any other fury fight.. ergo not an entertaining style.

    Whyte KOd Chisora and floored parker, feats never before achieved against these well known granite chinned opponents.

    I’ll take Fury’s promises with a grain of salt, given his history. But if Fury is openly and genuinely expressing how he feels, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt... especially because he really does fight like someone without a clue. Must just be me who sees it, thats why when he fights lesser ranked fighters like Wallin or Cunningham he gets exposed.

    Thats also why he fought four poorly ranked fighters as of late and not giving top contenders like Whyte a chance.

    Because if Whyte is as bad as you say he is, it should be an easy contract signing... and a good payday considering Whyte has had better PPV success than Fury relatively speaking.

    Because of the factual reality i have narrated, You haven’t been able to convince me otherwise.
     
  14. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Active Member Full Member

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    Fury hasn't fought in the UK in years but if/when he comes back he'll be a far bigger draw, not that this matters as far as ability goes. Babic is much more entertaining stylistically than Whyte but he's a domestic/fringe Euro level fighter.

    Haye KO'd a fresh version of Chisora inside 5 rounds, Whyte KO'd a shopworn Chisora in 11.5 rounds 6 years later. Whyte dropped a headbutt-concussed Parker in the 9th round, who has since been dropped inside 10 seconds by Chisora.

    If Whyte is a power puncher then his overall game must be poor because he should be stopping more than 1/9 of his best opponents. Helenius was KO'd in 6 by Duhaupas before he fought Whyte, Allen was TKO'd by Ortiz in 7 one fight later, Browne was KO'd in 3 by Allen a year later, a vastly better version of Povetkin was KO'd in 7 by AJ, Wach was TKO'd in 9 by Miller and in 8 by Bakole prior to fighting Whyte.

    Unknown Wallin and 2013 Cunningham are both better fighters than Whyte and stylistically much more dangerous. Whyte ducked Wallin recently because he regarded the 6'5 southpaw as being too risky. Fury's last three opponents are Wallin, Wilder and Wilder, Whyte's last three are 40+ Wach, shot 41 year old Povetkin and corpse Povetkin. Fury wants to fight Usyk and AJ, Whyte recently called out Jermaine Franklin and 40+ Chris Arreola.

    I'd prefer AJ to step aside so Fury and Usyk can fight for undisputed. No one sensible regards Whyte as one of the best of this era so he isn't relevant for Fury, aside from being a punching bag for a few rounds. Whyte should take his 13% and be happy with it. If not, he should rematch AJ, who is in need of a confidence-boosting KO.
     
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