wich uk trainer[active] can cut it with the us trainers

what do you mean by the opportunities the american coaches get?

 

When i watch a lot of British fights compared to U.S fights i always feel our fighters lack things that the U.S Based fighters have, That's in terms of styles and the offensive and defensive skillsets.

Tactically i feel our trainers are improving and i think that's a lot to do with guys like Roach and Richardson and Co allowing the views and methods to be seen and heard.

We have to remember as well that the U.S has the largest and best pool for fighters so in that lies a reason why the U.S Trainers are a touch above. I like a lot of the young up and coming trainrers. Sadly they aren't getting the chance to showcase there skills at World Class Level as they either have ''prospects'' or have mid level fighters who are on cusp of world scene.

For me at this moment in time these guys are my better UK Trainers.
Bob Shannon (always seems to have slicker type fighters in his camp, Seem Underrated..maybe because shocking barnet he has)

Rob McCracken (Good In Fight Advice, Technically/Tactically Sound..Accent May Be His Downfall..and i'm not kidding)

Adam Booth (He's like his fighters Improving but Improving Very Well Since Early Days)

Joe Gallagher(Good In Corner, Fighters are in tip top condition, No Nonsense)

Coldwell Arnie and Co are still coming through and budding and i'm looking forward to see there work.

 

SOLID posts.

Stats tell the facts !!!



Imagine Tibbs and McDonell as a combo !!!!

I thought of this quite some while aback.


Tibbs with the tech, McD with the conditioning.

 

you would have to say Booth is a very good cornerman and tactician.

remember the fights with Mormeck, Enzo and Valuev.

 

How many Mexicans or Cubans come to these shores if they leave there own country they go to America because its meant to be the land of opportnatey and of coarse there is far greater amount of sparring for boxers.Along with the fact there seems to be loads more shows on in USA which allows up and comers to progress that little quicker,as much as you learn in the gym you will always learn more in the fights themself

 

I agree with Hairy here.

Some British trainers are better at conditioning than technique, others are more technical/tactical than conditioners.

It's no co-incidence that Adam Booth fighters tend to be pretty smart but not the best conditioned stamina wise, whereas Jim McDonnell's all tend to be really fit but have sloppy technique.

Would be good if some of them worked together more often, they can help each other with the other aspect and provide advice at times..... and have an apprentice on the go at the same time.

 

to me a great trainer is someone that can significantly improve a fight in all aspects. Boxing Skill, Fitness and the mental side.

In terms of building a fight from the ground up, the ingles are the best. to be honest thats who DeGale should be training with with his natural attributes.

 

What your all forgetting here is the BOXER must feel comfortable with the coach, they need to trust there coach and respect and if thats not there no point in fighter being there.

 

Danny Williams's Trainer, i forgot his name - He wears a turban ??

 

the problem in british gyms is there isnt enough drilling of basics and defensive work imo. i have trained in probably half a dozen bozing gyms around the country and no one drills the basics until they become instinct. i also think there isnt enough shadow boxing done working on getting technique right.

too many coaches just get young lads to hit bags with no purpose and no instructions. same with pad work. it isnt interactive enough. same old 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3, 1-2-3 etc etc whilst static. the pad man needs to be moving backwards and throwing counters to encourage head movement ,slipping blocking etc.

i intend once i have finished boxing myslef to train at a gym and teach youngsters and I m convinced I will produce technically solid fighters.

the best coach i have had is a kickboxer who also boxes and he consistently turns out technically solid kickboxers with good boxing sj#kill. aba wont give him aamateur license tho....

 

but then again how many mexicans/cubans do roach, steward, richardson etc train?

most mexicans train with their own coach, same with cubans, most train with orlando cuellar.

 

to me it looks like alot of the brit coaches are afraid of trying things and often stick to the basics

the shoulder roll as an example, the fighters who do use it are sloppy and dont know the correct technique, their trainers like them keeping a full guard up because they are afraid to practice it.

i remember amir khan trying the shoulder roll when he was with harrison, he looked sloppy as hell

 

Couldn't agree more, especially the part about getting a local gym instructor instead.

Apart from Ingle the standard of British boxing trainers is woeful. They are nearly all just cheerleaders and towel wavers

 

Good Post

Look At Mitchell The Other Night Using the Shoulder Roll...Shockingly Bad.

 

This country has some fantastic trainers it really does, It would have been put on the map a long time ago BUT who really wants to train were it is constantly cold and wet..

I think Arnie could become special given he get's hold of the right talent. He has it in Frankie Gavin so I think he'll be respected on the world stage once Frankie gets there...

I rate Tibbs and Nelson very highly and also think Beard,Jimmy Mac and Oliver Harrison are also brilliant coaches.. I think the most important thing about your coach is if you are happy there with him?? You could have Manny Steward or Freddie Roach in the corner but if ya ain't happy they'll not make a blind bit of difference..

Let's also take into context all these top coaches have also had there plaudits and also had a fair bit of critisisim so it all works both ways, A happy fighter is a good fighter regardless imo..:bbb