Widdow Maker says, " LENNOX LEWIS'S REIGN WASN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE"

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Here is a statement from Widow Maker, copied from the thread entitled, Tyson/Lewis


    Widow Maker: I also don't feel like Lewis was all that impressive by the fact that he managed to not fight any of the top 5 fighters in his own era... and only became the true Champion for a brief period during the transition period between the 90's era and the current era. Even during that reign, it wasn't very impressive.

    Here is was my response

    Mr. Magoo:If you're saying that he wasn't the TRUE champ until he defeated Holyfield, then he at least held the lineal title from 1999-2003, being interrupted briefly by his loss to Rahman. Lewis cleaned out an entire generation of super heavys, young prospects, and ranked contenders. He unified the titles for a brief period and defeated every man he ever faced at one point or another. I don't know how the hell someone who supports Wladimir Klitschko to the extent that you do, can claim that Lewis's reign wasn't impressive.

    Who would you agree with more?
     
  2. M.Alexander

    M.Alexander Tough Mofo Full Member

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    Well Lewis has his wins over Holyfield, which are impressive.

    But his wins over Tyson (completely shot) and Vitali (very lucky) are not impressive.
    Golota was overhyped, Botha and Grant were bums....Tua....ok Tua was a good win. Ruddock was good.

    I remember quite vividly, how Lennox was bashed while active....
     
  3. $.02

    $.02 Undisputed Heavyweight Full Member

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    Lewis's reign was overrted. It was good, but people give him too much credit. Tyson's 86-90 reign was better.

    Lewis and Holmes should have a cup of coffee one day, I bet you it would it would be the most boring conversation ever.
     
  4. $.02

    $.02 Undisputed Heavyweight Full Member

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    Kepp in mind, This was after Tyson destroyed Ruddock. Ruddock was not himself after that fights with tyson and He had Floyd Patterson training him....
     
  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure it wasn't "luck" that busted Vitali's face up so bad that the fight had to be stopped. :bbb
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wow. Are you crying?

    I stand by what I said. First of all.. Lewis wasn't considered the true Champ until he fought Holyfield and beat him in their second fight.

    So... then we have Lewis' as True Champion...

    He beats...

    Michael Grant...
    Frans Botha...
    David Tua...
    Gets knocked out by Rahman...
    Wins his titles back and then beats an extremely over the hill Tyson...
    And then beat Vitali in a fight that he was losing, but was stopped because a grazing punch opened a cut.

    Then... sits on his title for another 8 months promising the fans a rematch, and trying to sue Tyson back into the ring....before retiring after the WBC forces him to face Vitali in a rematch. Also consider that he dropped BOTH the WBA, and the IBF titles to avoid fighting his mandatories for those belts as well.

    Sorry... but that isn't exactly a title reign of terror, is it?

    You try to act like he was such a long standing champ... but he only successfully defended his title 6 times during all of those years. The actual number of successful defenses means a lot more than how many years he sat on the title.
     
  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Apart from getting KTFO by Rahman which he avenged anyways, how much better could his career have been? The guy has fought pretty much every single challenge out there and beat them all...He's even got Vitali as his retirement fight. Only guy who escaped him was Wlad and Wlad wasnt in a good position back then.
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Widdow is one of the biggest nuthuggers on this forum. He is the original Oscarsexual and has been sucking the Klit's for sometime as well. You can't take anything he has to say about Lewis or the Klits seriously. Anyone who knows boxing knows Lewis is a top 10 ATG HW and the best HW of his era.
     
  9. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    It was actually a misguided right hand that missed, but just grazed his eye, opening the cut. Does that make Lewis the better fighter? I tend to lean on what actually happened in the ring, outside of a freak cut from a grazing punch. Vitali was winning, even with the cut. Isn't like he got knocked out by that right hand, and couldn't get back up.
     
  10. M.Alexander

    M.Alexander Tough Mofo Full Member

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    Nevertheless, Lewis was young and showed a great performance.

    But I am one of these who think Lennox is an ATG, but all in all a little bit overrated. If you look on his record closely, it is not that impressive like on the paper. If he would ve beaten a mid 90ies Tyson or Vitali on skills and not on a lucky cut stoppage, i would say that his career is very impressive.


    BTW that survey answers are complete **** and biased. Its not a question of either or...Widdow is a little bit right and a little bit wrong
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    As time goes on in my opinion Lennox's reign looks to be getting better and better by the day. His resume was very good. Beat every fighter he ever faced.

    I believe Tunney, Marciano, and Johanesson are the only other Heavyweight Champions in over 100 years of the Divison who can say that.
     
  12. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Altough I myself consider Lewis somewhat overrated saying Lewis wasn't that impressive is just as a Wlad nuthugger would do.
    What did you expect from him?He is a huge nuthugger.
     
  13. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Lennox beat all he faced... I'd hardly call that "less than impressive".
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed, and the poll numbers don't lie.
     
  15. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis' resume isn't necessarily the greatest, but he is one of the very best ever heavies for his power, his adaptability, great ab (when he ddn't paw it) and bravery/mntal ability to take on those who have defeated him in the past. Also, his victory over itali is extremely impressive: 38, well past prime, taking the biggest shots he's ever taking with stylistically his worst performance since Mercer... The man showed he would have been competitive with any heavy in history, maybe not won, which to me is impressive.

    IT's also forgotten that he had to take a lot of tsts after Morrison was tested positive for HIV, and that could have left Lennox mentally scarred in future bouts.

    A great fighter, and an imperious reign.