Widdow Maker says, " LENNOX LEWIS'S REIGN WASN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE"

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  1. Fighting Weight

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    Not really no - I don't doubt WALDO will be able to land his jab against Haye but if he tries all the **** he used against Rahman he's going to be eating right hands, I guarantee it. Hooking off the jab will get him into big trouble against a guy with Haye's speed.

    We'll find out fight night - if it happens.
     
  2. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I am not even comparing Wlad and Lewis... and I wasn't comparing him during the context of the original quote either. I don't know why the hell you guys keep trying to play the "Wlad card"... when I already said that I don't even rank Wlad as an ATG at this point. Have you ever heard me say that Wlad was the #1 ATG? Of course not, that **** never comes out of my mouth. So... instead of acting like I am trying to argue Wlad's all time greatness... can we get back to the topic?

    Explain to me... what was so amazing about Lewis' title run after he beat Holyfield in the second fight? People love to bash on my comment... yet nobody is giving any sort of evidence that what I said was incorrect. You don't have to tell me that Lewis is an ATG heavyweight... I know he is. You don't have to talk about Wlad... because he isn't in the discussion.. and I am not acting like he should rate over Lewis right now.
     
  3. Fighting Weight

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    Did he really? Please post proof.

    VITLAY also ducked out of a rematch with Hide, he was down on the cards before the lucky punch landed (if it did land)

    VITLAY was scared to go through the hell that was that first round against Hide once more so he went after easier challenges. Like Byrd :good
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    Here are the ****ing facts.

    1. Lewis avenged both of his two losses, whereas Wlad only sought retribution for one of his three.

    2. Lewis cleared out a whole division of prime fighters, top contenders and aging, but still competitve veterans. Wlad after all these years, still has yet to beat the best of his division, and is fighting an ungodly number of old men, ( and lets not pretend this time that it isn't happening. )

    3. Lewis unified the crown and during his reign defeated Evander Holyfield, David Tua, Michael Grant and Vitali Klitschko. Name 4 fighters who were better than that who Wlad defeated.

    Now just accept the fact that Lewis's reign was in fact impressive and stop trying to back track yourself in an effort to save face. Its over.......
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Wow... I already brought up my response to you with the other thread that you were pretending never happened.

    BTW... I love the avatar... KEEP IT!
     
  6. eze

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    :lol:

    Why do you keep comparing Lewis to Wlad? When he's not even doing a Wlad comparison.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    Because Widdow compares everything in life to Wlad, including Christ himself.
     
  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    It's amazing, isn't it?

    Do you know why? Because they have ABSOLUTELY NO argument against what I actually said. They just keep acting like I am saying that Wlad ranks higher than Lewis right now on the ATG list.:patsch
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Ahem.....I don' think that its others here who are guilty of ignoring important facts buddy.....
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    It's because you have no answer for the simple question that I have been asking.

    What was so amazing about Lewis' reign as Champion... after he beat Holyfield in their second fight? It really isn't a hard question.
     
  11. eze

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    Why dont you answer his question instead of comparing to Wlad.


    Dont use Wlad in a post when you do it.

    Just because you say Lennox has done better than Wlad means jack ****. Answer his question legitly.
     
  12. Fighting Weight

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    Other than beating ATG Holyfield, Lets see:

    Tyson - still top 3, ATG, Tyson previously dropped a belt to avoid Lenny
    Vitali - top3, future WBC, still champ today - LENNY WAS 37!!
    TUa - remember the great 90s HW Moorer you accuse Lenny of avoiding? Tua did him under a miniute, wrecked Maskeev, beat Rahman, arguably beat Ibeabuchi
    Golota - fresh off wrecking Bowe's career
    Briggs - Linear HW Champ beat Foreman Lenny supposedly avoided
    Rudduck - top 3 HW
    Bruno - WBC champ, top 5
    McCall - avenged his defeat
    Rahman - avenged his defeat
    Grant - 31-0 -ranked in top5 by most at the time
    Mercer/Morrison/Tucker/Akiwande/Mason - All top10 HWs, some top 5
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    I think the real question is " What didn't he do? " A fighter is typically considered an all time great when he's beaten the best of his division and has no more mountains to climb. Lewis defeated Holyfield, Grant, Tua and Klitschko. He also gave fans the Tyson fight that many of them wanted to see, even though Tyson was past it. About the only argument that you can make is that he never fought Wlad or Byrd, but I don't think its something that's going to hold up 20 years from now, especially given that its basically been forgotten already. Lewis defeated Vitali some 4 months after Wlad got smoked by Sanders. Chris Byrd was hardly considered a threat to Lewis by anyone's standards.
     
  15. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    You aren't even posting any facts! All you did was say that Lewis was Champ from 1999-2003... yet you fail to realize that during that time, he only had 6 successful title defenses. Michael Grant... we know that wasn't a big win. Frans Botha... c'mon.... David Tua, VERY good win, however he was criticized for that fight in the same manner that you guys criticize Wlad vs Iggy.... so take it as it was. I myself... I consider it a very good win and he did what he had to do. Then he got knocked out and lost his titles against Rahman. Won them back... then he next successful title defense was the next year against an old Tyson... then he sat on the title for another entire year before fighting Vitali, when he was actually trying to fight Kirk Johnson instead (in a fight that the WBC wouldn't even endorse or put their title on the line for)....and Lewis won that fight by way of a grazing punch opening up a cut. Yes, he showed heart... yes he came away with a win in a fight that he was losing... but the question stands...... WHAT was so amazing about this Undisputed Championship reign?