Widdow Maker says, " LENNOX LEWIS'S REIGN WASN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE"

Do you really need it pointing out?

Window is trying to elevate WALDO by saying Lewis never beat anyone after he became undisputed (which is bull****) yet the guy he's constantly trying to elevate still hasn't achieved that status yet, and doesn't look like doing so anytime soon either.

Lewis's comp level after beating Holy for the 2nd time was as good as it could have been, he beat everyone available and left no box unticked, just like a champion should. There's the answer to the question but of course the Klit-ites will do a hatchet job on all the opponents he faced, while creaming their jeans about WALDO beating a severely shot former victim of Lewis from those times :nut

"Wow, did you see the way WALDO hooked off the jab V Rahman, WALDO is the best ever" :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

OMG...:-( It's just so sad to see them dance around this question... that THEY started this thread about... and act like this has ANYTHING to do with Wlad.

How the hell does Lewis' reign as Champ effect or elevate Wlad? I had never even mentioned anything of the sort. I love how you guys call me a Wlad nuthugger, and act like everything I talk about involves Wlad... when clearly, anyone can see that anytime that I talk about ANYTHING... it is you guys who keep throwing Wlad into it.

I have already said. I DO NOT RANK WLAD AS AN ATG OVER LEWIS. Is there any way that I can make that more clear? Wlad is still in the midst of his prime, what the hell kind of sense does that make? You will NEVER see me in an ATG thread, trying to convince any ranking of Wlad. We can argue about that AFTER Wlad retires.

First off... Lewis dropped three titles by the end of that short reign, to avoid fighting his #1 contenders. Exactly... how does that clean out a division and leave "no box untickled". Now, Wlad will enter into play, as he was Lewis' #1 challenger by ring mag for over 2 of those years after Lewis beat Holy. Just because Sanders eventually beat him a few months before Lewis' last fight, in which Lewis still clearly wasn't fighting against Wlad anyways... doesn't take away from the fact that Lewis didn't fight him. Also, he dropped the WBA to avoid fighting Ruiz... he dropped the IBF to avoid fighting Byrd. In the end, he dropped the WBC and retired to avoid his mandated rematch against Vitali. Now... you can include the fact that Corrie Sanders was the WBO champ when Lewis retired, and Corrie ALWAYS wanted to fight Lewis. Corrie himself said that Lewis told him that he avoided him as he talked to Lewis before his fight with Vitali. Lewis sure as hell didn't clean out the division, and he sure as hell didn't fight everyone that he could have. Especially considering the fact that he only fought TWICE from November of 2001 until Feb of 2004 when he vacated his final title.

 

I never said it was amazing. YOU added that. But beating the top HW right when you are retinging, as Lewis did w/ Vitali, IS impressive. And why are you so fixated on his career right near the end anyway? I see it as a whole. Too many HW titles get splintered for terribleand inconsistant reasons. So he wasn't the recognized World Champ for the most part. Big deal. He was still the best HW of his time. But if you want to make a fuss out of NOT fighting Byrd and Ruiz, go nuts with that.

 

that comment is a complete joke, Lewis was Impressive, he fought and beat everyone who would dare step in a ring with him

 

Ok... so obviously you don't even disagree with my general reason for the post that this thread is about.atsch Glad we bothered arguing then.... when you agree that his actual reign as true champ wasn't amazingly impressive.


Ok... so you want to talk about the rest of his career. You say that he was the best heavyweight of his own era... however he didn't even fight any of the top 5 fighters in his own era during their primes. Isn't that kind of a big deal?:huh Especially considering the FACT that he could have changed all of that by fighting Tyson, instead of taking step aside cash? Had he felt that he would beat Tyson, he could have fought him, beat him... Holyfield would have obviously been next. Then the entire division would have ran through him. Instead, he takes cash instead of the fight... and sits on the sidelines until the stars of the division burned out... then he jumped in and took over during the transitional period. So... exactly how did he prove that he was better than those fighter in their prime?:think

 

Nice going.

 

Anything that you can do to get an out.:good You have no boxing knowledge, and your prove it day in, and day out. All you do is hate on current fighters, and hate on posters. You once again FORCED the entrance of Wlad into the discussion by saying a ******ed statement like you did.

You didn't correctly answer the question that I gave you... so I had to set you straight once again. Now.. come up with a real answer.

 

For the love of God... I have already named them 100 times... can you read? Besides that... you have not even answered ONE QUESTION!:rofl

I can name several top contenders or Champions that Lewis managed not to fight....

Bowe
Moorer
Foreman
Tyson in his prime (Lewis took cash rather than the fight)
Holyfield in his prime
Wladimir Klischko when he was Lewis' #1 contender by ring mag for over 2 years
Chris Byrd when he was Lewis' #1 contender for the IBF
John Ruiz when he was Lewis' #1 contender by the WBA

For the love of god... isn't that enough? Exactly how many top contenders or Champions do you have to NOT get into the ring with before people start to notice?

Yes, Bowe ducked Lewis... I will give him that. However, then you also must agree that Lewis ducked Byrd and Ruiz right? I mean, people are saying that Bowe ducked Lewis because he vacated the title rather than fight him... Lewis did the SAME THING. However, Lewis made his own bed by not fighting Tyson when he could have. Rather than taking step aside cash.. he could have taken the fight... if he thought that he could beat Tyson I don't see why he wouldn't have. He beats Tyson, and the division runs through him. Holyfield would OBVIOUSLY been next... then he could have fought them all as he sat on top of the perch. Rather than taking step aside cash and waiting for the other top fighters of his era to beat the prime out of each other before stepping in and cleaning up what was left over of the fighters.

 

Lewis sat on the sidelines until the stars of the division burned out

This is a guy that took every risk he could at every opportunity, and as early as possible too. Blaming Lewis for Tyson, Bowe and Holyfields cowardice is nonsense. Oh **** yeah I forgot the other fighter you claim Lewis avoided...Michael Moorer :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Yep, typical avoidance tactics.

Please feel free to ask me the question again if you want a real answer. You're the one that said you weren't going to bring WALDO into this and then did the opposite which is why I called your low IQ, dumb arse on it.

Please feel free to ask me the 'question', I'll gladly answer it. Personally I don't feel you actually have a question to ask, just spin, like all the other Klit-ites.