Widdow Maker says, " LENNOX LEWIS'S REIGN WASN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE"

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Recognized Champions are usually included.:think
     
  2. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why are those two the two champs of the era though, foreman who ducked any decent heavyweight and moorer lhw without a chin.
     
  3. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I responded to this in the other thread. You like facts right. Lewis wanted to fight Tyson [FACT 1] Tyson or Tysons handlers offered Lewis money rather to fight him [FACT 2].
    Now here's an [OPINION] There was nothing lewis could've done to get in the way of that fight. That fight was bigger then the sport at the moment. :deal
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    Moorer had legitimate claim to the lineal thrown. He defeated an albeit, sick version of Holyfield, but took the title nonetheless. Foreman, then knocked him out. Both men were true champs, until Foreman was gifted a decision against Axel Schulz, then refused to give him a rematch. He also refused to face #1 contender Tony Tucker, who did not deserve a shot in my opinion but the alpha organizations were even more ****ed than usual in the mid 90's. At one point, Tony Tucker and Bruce Seldon were the WBA's #1 and #2 contenders, even ranked higher than Riddick Bowe. I remember Larry Merchant openly stating how preposterous and corrupt the sanctioning body's behavior was.
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    The WBC just proclaimed him as the champ when Bowe trashed the belt to avoid the fight. Which, I have always felt was a cowardly move. Especially considering the face to face confrontation in which Bowe was acting like a hard ass, and Lewis actually called it right there that he felt Bowe feared him, and hoped that he didn't avoid the fight... something along those lines. Lewis called it correctly, and Bowe ducked him.

    Look... I will admit that I do a lot of this just to bother those who sit on here and bash Wlad all day long. I have always rated Lennox high, however there is a lot of truth to what I am saying. Overall.. I have always felt that Evander did all of the best work during the 90's. The man fought EVERYONE, and he did it multiple times. Lewis was sort of pushed from the center stage... but a great fighter should always find a way there.. and I honestly felt like he didn't take the opportunities that he did have to force himself there. Such as taking the money from King, rather than enforcing his mandatory against Tyson... at least to see what hand they played next. Tyson was a great champ in his younger days... but overrated a bit overall. Blistering handspeed, great headmovement, great combination punching, and awesome explosiveness. However, he gets passes on everything negative in his career, and he really struggled vs the best fighters that he faced. Moorer was a dangerous fighter... not on the other's level though, IMO. As far as Lennox goes... he had all of the tools, and he really had a great career... I was just always disappointed that he didn't jump onto the scene earlier when the other guys were all shinning bright.

    Another thing that ALWAYS bothered me about Lewis. Was that he complained his entire career that everyone was ducking him, and nobody would give him his shot once he became their #1 contender. Then, as soon as he wins all of the titles... he splinters them all back out to avoid fighting those who became his #1 contender. That always rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah... maybe not everyone wanted to see those fights, and yes.. maybe they wouldn't make for great stylistic matchups for him. However, a true champ needs to take on everyone, no matter how their styles match up, ect.... I actually would have liked to see him fight both Ruiz and Byrd... Wlad when he was Lewis' #1 by ring mag for over 2 years... and a rematch with Vitali. Those are fights just from when he was Champ that I wanted to see. He was champ during a transitional period of era's... and I would have rather seen him fight those guys, than sit inactive for such long periods of time that he did as Champ.

    I will give Lennox credit for fighting a lot of the dangerous top contenders of the 90's. That is something that can't be taken away from him.
     
  6. rydersonthestorm

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    according to widow though being the linear champ means nothing though :yep
     
  7. TroubleLurks

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    Lewis can't play poker for ****...so...ya know...shake & bake! I play for keeps!
     
  8. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Whats up dude :good I'm taking Mosley by UD :yep Gonna be a great ****ing fight!
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Agreed,

    Tyson vs Holyfield had been long anticipated for more than half a decade by that point. To post pone the match so that Tyson could face Lewis instead of Holy, would have disenchanted the public to an even greater extent, than chosing to put off facing a mandatory for a while.
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Tyson vs Seldon?:huh:lol:

    Seldon had the WBA, so it was a more lucrative fight for Tyson. Lewis actually TURNED DOWN A 13.5 million dollar guarantee to fight Tyson. THEN accepted the step aside cash. He had to know that Tyson would go after Holyfield after the Seldon fight because that is all that was being discussed for Tyson's future. That is why I felt that Lewis should have taken the 13.5 mill guarantee and fought Tyson.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    Good post,

    And I will appologize for some of the rude things I have said over the last few days. Let's put this behind us and move on. Truce?
     
  12. BewareofDawg

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    ***** :yep









    Just kidding :lol:
     
  13. Haye

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    :bart

    Lennox was a great HW Champion.

    Wladimir is not. Yet he may go some way yet.
     
  14. BewareofDawg

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    Yeah Tyson vs Seldon --- Fight of the Millenium! :rofl:rofl:rofl

    I meant the Holy fight :oops:
     
  15. Haye

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    Linear is hardly trivial is it. Dont forget it was Holyfield who lost that title to Moorer.

    Yes, Holyfield was number 1, but only by a whisker. They both had claims to the number 1 spot.