Wide arm body shots or straight punches?

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  1. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pdoEGDrunms
    Here's a vignette of a former Kenny Weldon fighter mike mccallum one of the greatest body punchers. The question is it better throw straight body shots or wide arm punches?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZPhXpjlpu0
    Here's Kenny Weldon's body shots or what he called outside hooks. Starting at 7:41. So which is better outside hooks or straight punches to the body?
     
  2. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Both deadly if they hit their intended target liver/solar
     
  3. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Do you see what I see, am I unto something? It's appears by throwing outside hooks to the body it makes it easier to change the angle. Where straight punches would make it dangerous as well as unpredictable. They say that Weldon is wiz and for four years he trained Whitaker.

    Here is a clip on YouTube of pernell talking about hooking to the outside as being an essential key to boxing. Notice the left wide hook to the body and the position of the head. The position of the head is the most important key. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZyg46juq0U
     
  4. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    Problem with throwing wide shots is they are easy to catch/block/wedge.
     
  5. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Right! Which is why trainers teach shoe shining.
     
  6. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you're left hooking to the body go tight on the first and wide on the second. Triple g throws his hooks to the body wide. I guess it would depend on ring geography. Pretty hard to get a straight punch off to the body unless you mean a hybrid uppercut?
     
  7. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good boxing technique like real estate depends on location, location, location. Straight punches work best on the outside or midrange and hooks only work best close up and on the inside. I train my boxers to never throw a wide hook or punch in the midrange or outside. If a boxer gets caught reaching he will pay. I don't let my fighter throw wide punches or as I call it "chicken wing" a punch unless he is close enough to safely throw a short hook or uppercut. Wide punches are best for getting around the arm or elbow of an opponent. You have to be close to do that. I love a good over hand punch but I train my fighter to never throw those unless he can touch his opponent with his other hand with the elbow bent. What I mean by that, is if he is close.
     
  8. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    We don't do shoe shining in the gym anymore, ever since Emanuel steward taught wlad to grab hold of the neck; every fighter knows this is the almost perfect counter. When someone bares down on the neck it's physically draining, causing the neck to kink.

    Very few gyms these days do the shoe-shine drill it's almost obsolete.
     
  9. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is true. Sugar Ray Leonard was a master at it. He would do this in the last 30 seconds of a round and steal the round. Truth is shoe shinning looks good and steals points but is very ineffective in hurting your opponent. Plus you have to have really fast hands to get away with it.
     
  10. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Flat you've opened up Pandora's box, I could on about this for a long time. Starting with Freddie Roach who built his career teaching fighters to throw the left elbow, a technique designed to counter pressure fighters who keep their chins in the middle of the chest. This is used by Jon jones and Freddie taught this to Floyd elbow mayweather.

    The drill is the following when throwing the left hook make sure the thumb isn't upwards or downwards it's palms down Freddie has thrown people out of his gym for deviating. 1. Throw the hook out there. 2. Before the glove reaches its target pull the thumb into your chest.

    This used by Jon jones when he fought rashad Evans and elbow mayweather.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aV_Zal_uEV4
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8hAzKr2eGI
     
  11. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My coach trained me to use the elbow at the end of a hook as a defensive tool. :yep