wide hooks vs straights

Wild wide-arcing haymakers are not devoid of power; that's silly to suggest. There's simply too much evidence on the contrary, with people getting KTFO by them. Wide swings do generate power, if not torque (and usually at the expense of speed & finely-tuned aim).

Baseball players swing their bat wide, after all.

Ceremonial gongs aren't just tapped at short-range.

Sledgehammers aren't thrust straight at target or in a short hooking motion in demolition work. They're swung wide.



That said, in most contexts the cons of swinging wide do vastly outweigh the pros - and yes, the raw power they generate can easily be compensated for and even surpassed with a shorter punch thrown with proper technique and generating the needed torque and leverage to be damaging.

 

Throwing straight punches only is predictable.

 

You need to have your pants spanked Roman Gonzalez is the master of wide arc punches.:nono

 

Of course a punch is a throw. Movements are pushes or throws, there is no third option. And a wider punch does have more torque, if the segments are timed correctly. This is basic physics/biomechanics, you are factually incorrect.

 

Every punch should be thrown using your entire body, whether looping or straight. If it isn't, it simply isn't thrown correctly.
And what relevance does a video of me hitting a heavy bag have to do with anything?

 

This is not true. If you and I could put on the mitts for a second, I could show you how to throw a punch. I do not know what area of expertise you profess to have mastered, but it is not boxing related.

 

:huh

He throws hooks and uppercuts, but none are really "wide". In point of fact they are tight and compact almost without exception.

 

Cool story. All movements are pushes or throws (muscles in different segments contracted simultaneously or sequentially), that's a fact.
There was a study using accomplished boxers and the most powerful punch measured was the rear hand hook. That's not a punch that is thrown too often for obvious reasons, but objectively it's the most powerful punch.
Boxing is about landing the right punch at the right time, not absolute power. It doesn't take that much to knock someone out.
The reason why fighters can get wild when they have someone hurt is because intuitively they know how to generate the most power. When Foreman hits a heavy bag he turns sideways and swings his punches out as wide as possible, because all he cared about was power.
It's not the sweet science, but that's how you generate the most power in a throw. Look at how Golovkin throws punches, he angles his body to loop his punches as much as possible. Look at Matthysse, Rigo (when he's trying to hurt someone) etc.
You certainly haven't mastered anything if something I've said to you is news.

 

Lol. dealt with. You should pay attention better to the way GGG throws a punch. That's all I'm going to say without going into the specific details. The rear hand being the strongest punch has more to do with rotational forces rather than the arc of the punch.

That's so basic it's practically common sense.

When are YOU going to post a video of YOU punching a bag like you said you would when you said you were the hardest puncher on this board due to your strength training?

 

Say what you want but wide punches are A. Tougher to see and B. Tougher to predict the landing point (head or body).

I went through a stage in sparring where I had a lot of success imitating Bazooka Limon's punch technique. Guys can't tell if you're swinging at their head or body and a lot of the time they're forced to shell up instead of counter.

All the arguing about what's more powerful is beside the point. A punch has to land or the power is irrelevant. Here's an idea: Drill a guy in the guard with your hardest, most perfect shot, and now that he knows how hard you can hit, start swinging at him. 9 times out of 10 he'll have a hard time letting his hands go if he knows you hit hard and isn't sure whether he'll catch one in the ribs when he tries to counter your wide shots.

It's not THE way to punch but it's certainly ONE way.