Wilder’s Arbitration win proves Al Haymon is the smartest guy in boxing

I'm a debt finance attorney and while my practice does not involve arbitration directly, suffice it to say that the people in this thread have no idea what the **** they are talking about.

 

I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

Not about legal specifics, but more the fact that Fury can, ultimately, decide to fight Joshua and there is nothing the other side can do about it.

The step aside money and/or rearranging the Wilder fight would be the best solution for boxing, for Fury and AJ...and for Wilder too.

The reaction to the court decision all depends entirely on whether Fury cares about any having further business dealings in the U.S.

 

This isn't true. The U.S., for example, frequently recognizes arbitration from other jurisdictions. I don't know how that works everywhere else but wouldn't assume Fury could simply ignore it.

Also, Top Rank presumably was a party to the deal and most definitely cannot afford to defy the judgment. Arbitration is not a game. Judges like it because it keeps a great number of disputes out of courts, which is why there are laws and common law holdings supporting arbitration as binding.

 

I never said he would, or should ignore it, per se, more that he could.

Or, rather, what could they actually do if he did ignore it?

Unfortunately, facts are in short supply at the moment and we are all just guessing.

Personally, I think it's desperately unfortunate.

We had a mega fight to look forward to and now that may well never come to fruition.

All manner of spanners can be thrown into the works.

Wilder could, somehow, beat Fury.

AJ might face Usyk and lose on points.

By Christmas, or sooner, we could have a completely different boxing landscape.

 

...and, again, I've asked you 4 times why you think other jurisdictions WILL recognise the "due process of this decision"?

As yet, you haven't provided a satisfactory answer.

You also seem unable to grasp the concept that this decision is, in effect, unenforceable.

It is not a criminal court, and the very decision itself is, by no means, the end of the matter.

You say you are a "highly qualified lawyer", so you should be aware that countries routinely ignore decisions made by courts in other jurisdictions.

There are places with no extradition, so X won't extradite their citizens to Y etc...

There was a case recently of an American woman who is the wife of diplomat.

She ran over and killed a kid in England, and fled back to America.

Despite repeated pleas from the kids parents she refused to return to England and the U.S government wouldn't extradite her back because of diplomatic immunity.

You may know of the case.

Agreed, this isn't the same issue - and diplomatic immunity is unique.

Still, it does highlight the fact that just because a court in one country makes a ruling it doesn't mean it has any weight in another.

Anyway, I think we've flogged this horse to death so let's just see what happens.

I apologise for my tone as well...personal stuff.

P.S it seems Fury is intimating a Wilder fight is now a distinct possibility, as AJ isn't prepared to countenance a pay off and Arum wants to "get rid of Wilder".

The suggestion is he beats Wilder and then faces Joshua in late October/early November.

It can, and probably, will end up with the Fury vs Joshua fight never happening.

 

I'm afraid you seem incapable of understanding me.

If you are a lawyer, I wouldn't hire you.

You keep missing basic stuff, mistake a hypothetical for fact then argue about it, argue that some points are not really the same when I already stated they aren't the same, repeating the same thing over and over again without addressing anything.

It goes like this;
You: the rest of the world will enforce a civil dispute made in an American Court.

Me: Would they though, and what if Fury ignores it?

You: Because they will, and he won't.

Me: But, they might not, and he could.

You: They won't...he won't.

That's where we are.

(Perhaps, you could do with going through our entire exchange and it might dawn on you what is actually being said)

 

You sure it wasn’t Wilder who planned all that?

 

If he’s as smart as you say he is hopefully he’ll be able convince wilder to take step aside money and have two tune ups to adjust to a new trainer then fight the winner of AJ/Fury at the end of the year. But I’m not sure Freud himself could penetrate Wilders distorted psyche.